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Here is the latest I have received:

Dear Interested Party:

The USDA Forest Service is seeking comments on two proposals regarding management of the Upper Tellico Off-Highway Vehicle (OHV) System:

1. An Environmental Assessment (EA) for the long-term management of the Upper Tellico OHV System. You may download a copy of the EA and related graphics at http://www.cs.unca.edu/nfsnc/tellico. If you would like to receive a paper copy of the EA, please e-mail your request to: [email protected] or call (828) 257-4817, and one will be mailed to you. For questions concerning the project or the EA contact Candace Wyman, Project Coordinator, at 828-257-4816.

2. A temporary closure of the Upper Tellico OHV System for resource protection, effective April 1, 2009. This closure would prohibit possession or use of a motorized vehicle on a road or trail within the Upper Tellico OHV System, with the exception of highway-legal vehicles on 420-1 and certain other exceptions described in the closure order until a final project decision is implemented.
The Upper Tellico OHV System is located on Tusquitee Ranger District, Nantahala National Forest, Cherokee County, NC. In June 2008, we publicized a proposal for long-term management of the System, designed to greatly reduce the amount of soil leaving the System and entering the Tellico River and its tributaries, while still providing an OHV trail system. This proposal is referred to as the “proposed action” or Alternative B and is described in detail in Chapter 1 of the EA. We received around 1,500 public comments on the proposed action. Alternatives to the proposed action were developed in response to the comments and environmental issues identified by the Agency. A wide range of comments was received, so six alternatives are analyzed in the EA, identified as Alternatives A through F. We would now like your review and comment on the alternatives and analysis before making a final decision on long-term management of the System.

The following is a brief description of the alternatives analyzed in detail in the EA. Please refer to the EA, Chapters 2 and 3, for more information about each alternative.

• Alternative A is the “no action” alternative that reflects the existing trail system with 2007 management and funding levels.
• Alternative B is the “proposed action” that was released in June 2008 for public comment. It was developed to address the problems initially identified in trail condition surveys conducted in 2007-2008.
• Alternative C closes the OHV System, but maintains over 10 miles of existing Forest system roads in the area, open year-round or seasonally, to provide for public highway-legal vehicle access for hunting, fishing and other recreation uses. It was developed in response to public concerns that the proposed action (Alternative B) did not go far enough in eliminating trails on sensitive soils and trails near water.
• Alternative D was developed in response to public concerns that the OHV Trail System should meet current trail density and challenge level standards, and not require a Forest Plan amendment.
• Alternative E was developed in response to public concerns that the proposed action (Alternative B) would eliminate too many high challenge OHV experiences.
• Alternative F was developed in response to public concerns that the proposed action (Alternative B) would eliminate too many OHV trail miles.

The environmental concerns that initiated the proposed management changes are described in the EA, as are the projected direct, indirect, and cumulative environmental effects of each of these Alternatives.

The EA shows that the Upper Tellico OHV System has extensive damage and contributes unacceptable levels of sediment into the Tellico River and its tributaries. Sediment is leaving the OHV System from more than 2,000 locations along the trails. The Agency is in violation of North Carolina state water quality standards because of the conditions on Upper Tellico OHV System. Since the Upper Tellico River watershed is located in an area of steep terrain, highly erosive soils, and high rainfall, maintaining an OHV trail system without causing significant environmental damage is extremely difficult.

While I understand how important the Upper Tellico OHV System is to OHV users, the impacts to water quality are so significant that I cannot recommend keeping the System open at this time. After careful consideration of the environmental effects of the alternatives as presented in the EA, my preferred alternative is Alternative C, which closes the OHV System. Alternative C would maintain over 10 miles of existing Forest system roads (currently also OHV trails), open year-round or seasonally, to provide public access for hunting, fishing and other recreation uses. Trail 1 (FS Road 420-1) would be paved and kept open as a through route for highway-legal vehicles.

I want to emphasize that a final decision has not yet been made. This public review period is an opportunity for you to give us constructive feedback. I encourage you to review the environmental assessment and provide us with any information that you think we have not considered adequately. Your comments need to be as specific as possible and you must provide the following information: 1) Your name and address; 2) Title of the project; 3) Specific substantive comments on the proposed action, along with supporting reasons that I should consider in reaching a decision; and 4) Your signature or other means of identification verification. For organizations, a signature or other means of identification verification must be provided for the individual authorized to represent your organization.

Comments must be postmarked or received within 30 days beginning the day after publication of this notice in The Asheville Citizen-Times. Comments may be mailed electronically, in a common digital format, to: [email protected]; or by regular mail to: National Forests in North Carolina, Attn: Candace Wyman, 160 A Zillicoa Street, Asheville, NC 28801, or faxed to 828-257-4263. Hand delivered comments must be received within our normal business hours of 8:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m.

Thank you for your continued interest in management of the National Forests in North Carolina and the Tusquitee Ranger District.

Sincerely,



MARISUE HILLIARD
Forest Supervisor
 

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This is what we can do about it

Heather Royston of the Rescue Tellico Committee writes:

You Must Take Action to Save Tellico...NOW!!!

Today the SFWDA met with the USFS and heard a presentation on what will be in their Environmental Assessment. While they have 7 alternatives that they are considering, their preferred alternative is to CLOSE TELLICO. While we know that this is completely unacceptable and will cause immediate and intense emotional reaction, we are asking that everyone maintain a level head and concentrate on what our task is now.

STEP 1: The FS Supervisor issued a TEMPORARY CLOSURE ORDER that will keep Tellico closed until they decide what the fate of the area will be. This means that TELLICO WILL NOT REOPEN ON APRIL 1ST! Please read the order here: http://www.cs.unca.edu/nfsnc/nepa/tusquitee/tellico/temporary_closure.pdf. and provide comments to the temporary closure. Be sure to talk about all the plans you have to use the area and all the events that are already scheduled and that you have paid to attend. We MUST NOT LET THIS HAPPEN!

STEP 2: We must, at all costs, provide as many SUBSTANTIVE comments about the EA as humanly possible. And we are ready. SFWDA requests that you download the study that we commissioned (Recommended Trail System Repair and Maintenance Plan Upper Tellico OHV System) and that you download the FS’ EA which is posted here (Upper Tellico OHV Area ) and that you compare the two side by side and start making comments. Our study will give you the data that you need to make comments about the surveys that have been done, the lack of maintenance they FS has completed, the science, the engineering, the economics, EVERYTHING.

We will work to have a letter generator up, but honestly, we need for you to take pencil to paper and think this through. Copy this announcement and send it to your friends, family, and everyone you know.

STEP 3: The other thing we need, and you know what it coming, is money. In this tough economic time, it’s hard to find a few dollars to support a cause, but if you enjoy the Tellico area, or even the dying sport of OHV and 4X4 recreation, please consider a donation to Rescue Tellico so that we may continue to fight for Tellico. Rescue Tellico Fund

STEP 4: In an effort to show that we will not accept these actions, Crawford’s Campground is committing to continue on with the plans for Spring Fling on April 4th. Please consider attending and showing your support and helping to raise money for Rescue Tellico.

So you know, SFWDA is working very closely with U4WDA and BlueRibbon Coalition to review these documents. BE ASSURED that the lawyers will be reviewing all of these documents in detail and that we are all ready to take whatever action is warranted to further the fight to KEEP TELLICO OPEN!

Thank you for your help!!!

SFWDA, UFWDA, and BRC
 

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A reply to them from a concerned reader:

I cannot remember when I have been so sad. This very tiny piece of America which we all so dearly cherish, love, maintain, and promote has been taken away. Not even by a democratic process...just the stroke of a pen...the wish of just one person. This is not the America which I grew up in and not the America I wish to live in nor the America which I fought for. This is greed at its foremost level. The few who cannot find it in themselves to share. The greed to keep this land from future generations to shape their lives in a peaceful, serene, bountiful place where they enjoy the simplicity of nature and all its splendor...and from that learn the basic values of their own presence on this planet. How damned they should be for their selfishness...their unwillingness to value engineer a common solution. I have been reduced to the lowest level of humanity by their actions however I shall make it my utmost goal to destroy their very existence through persistance, pressure, and perseverence they have not yet realized. They will not take from me my most important resource of the essence of my existance. I shall rise to the occasion and defeat their selfishly immoral acts. I will not give away my America! I hope others will see beyond the anger we share and rise up and fight for the common right of our land.
 

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thats why we have to abide by tread lightly and make a good name for our hobby...

why do yall think we get upset when somebody post pics and talks about how they were playing in a field or whatever.... if we want to keep the hobby we love we need to be strict on following the rules and guidelines inforced by tread lightly...
 

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That was the whole reason behind me getting us set up with Tread Lightly. Everybody has to do what they can to spread the word. Whether it be hiking, skiing, fishing, hunting or whatever, if it's outdoors on public lands, Tread Lightly applies to it. It's not just for off-roaders.

I'm trying to research something that strikes me odd about this whole Tellico thing. It all began with trout fisherman complaining of pollutants in the water coming from the vehicles on the trails and the mass erosion that was happening (that can be corrected if they would actually invest the time and effort to think about it). The thing that I'm trying to figure out is if I'm not mistaken, these trout they are trying to protect aren't even native to those waters. They were transplanted there in hopes to create a new fish population to draw in vacationing anglers!

It seems to me that they are making off-roaders the scapegoat for a failed forestry service experiment.
 

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Well.....that really sucks.

Good chances are that its gonna stay closed off permanently with the way things are heading right now.....

Just curious - What happens to the rescue tellico funds once its shut down permanently?

We gotta keep the trails well-maintained and keep those damn environmental activists away from trails like that.....
 

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You would think with the OHV plans that Tennessee passed into law that alotted so much public land to OHV use that other states would follow suit. Especially North Carolina of all places. They have nearly identical terrain, species and everything else that seems to be ONLY AFFECTED IN TELLICO. I call bullshit on this whole ordeal the forestry service has put on. It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if the area was shut down, sold off and clearcut within 5 years. It's all about greed and has nothing to do with protecting a damn thing. And the bitch in charge probably wouldn't know a trout from a catfish if I slapped her in the face with it. She has pioneered this whole bullshit attack on public lands in that region.

When I used to kayak on the Ocoee and Nantahala Rivers a lot years ago, I would see "skidders" and logging trucks doing so much damage to the area that it wasn't even funny and this was on mountains that drained right into the Ocoee where they were holding the damn Olympics!!!! They used heavy equipment IN THE OCOEE RIVER to move boulders around to create obstacles, eddys and better rapids for the Olympics. You can't tell me that an off-road vehicle dumps anymore pollution into a stream than a f***ing trackhoe parked in the river digging it up! It's all about money and image and unfortunately the image of the off-roader is not a good one.

I could keep going but the language I would prefer to use is not pleasant so I'm just going to leave it with one final phrase...

This is BULLSHIT!
 

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I know it's a friggin' shame but you're right Stevin, the only thing that will hurt is not doing anything at all. The local club I belong to (Rocket City Rock Crawlers) is having a letter-writing session this Thursday night at our meeting and all of us are going to put together as many letters as possible to send to them. These guys have stayed on top of this area from day one it seems. They are where I'm getting most of my info and updates from on Tellico. They've also spread the word across Pirate 4x4 too.
 

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This is a shame. We all need to write a short and to the point letter NOW its the only way we can hope to keep the park open or reopened. No matter how many letter we send it will never be the same. Most of the trails will be closed permanently ether way.
The TWRA has failed us thats why we need to write letters to our representatives also urging them to support these bills. http://www.clubxterra.org/forums/showthread.php?t=8468 or Tellico will not be the only park shut down.
 

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Well it's done... Tellico is no longer. It has been closed until 2011 but this is pretty much going to be the death of Tellico. My theory is that by closing it for 2 years, this will allow the land to deteriorate and the trails to be swallowed up by trees and underbrush to the point where it would make it financially impossible to reopen.

And this is just one of many that has occurred recently. People, if we don't stand together and stand up for ourselves, we will be left with doing donuts in our backyards because we will be banned from existence.

Pardon my language but FUCK YOU TROUT UNLIMITED!!!! :usuck: I HOPE YOU DROWN IN A POOL OF PISS!
 

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This is why we fight so hard for Tread Lightly.

This is why we all gather for trail clean-ups in the Pine Barrens and other legal wheeling places...

Sure, we are really mostly cleaning up the garbage from illegal dumpers and not wheelers, but, its an off road trail, and it has garbage on it, guess who gets blamed?

We all love pics of our rigs splashing through the mud and doing water crossings...but, when we post them...it screams EROSION! to the rest of the population.

Politicians like easy causes.

Votes for "Are Puppies Really Just so CUTE!?" are no brainers for them.

After that, they look at votes.

Until the off road world is considered a voting BLOCK, we have no power.

Greenies are considered a voting block, and have power.

If you are a politician, and are faced with the outrage of the Sierra Club, Trout, etc...vs some acronym they've never heard of....guess who gets more weight?

Right.

Not us.

The off road world MUST UNITE...or slowly strangle.
 

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Until the off road world is considered a voting BLOCK, we have no power.

Greenies are considered a voting block, and have power.

If you are a politician, and are faced with the outrage of the Sierra Club, Trout, etc...vs some acronym they've never heard of....guess who gets more weight?

Right.

Not us.

The off road world MUST UNITE...or slowly strangle.
That's exactly right!

What makes the closing so frustrating is that NOT ONCE did the actual public (meaning the offroading community) get to voice their opinion and have it heard by an unbiased/unpaid audience. The amount of evidence to trump all of the "studies" that TU and the USFS did, blows their reasons for closing out of the water and yet it was never given an ounce of consideration.

I guarantee if we went to Trout Unlimited forums, we could find a mountain of damning evidence of them trespassing both by vehicle and afoot to get to their favorite fishing holes but it's ok for them to do it because they are fishing not wheeling. HOW THE F*** DO PEOPLE THINK THEY GOT THERE??? I guarantee they didn't walk.

If they want to close it off then it should be closed off to EVERYONE. Let those TU assholes start hiking the 30 miles to their fishing spots and see what they have to say about closing Tellico then.
 

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on top of taking political action..... keep garbage bags in your rig.

i do now. clean up after others if you have to. organize trail clean up runs and make them publicly known.

can't hurt right? show that you and others care and are willing to go above and beyond to help keep things nice.
 
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