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ok peeps
its time to step up for the offroad community, peeps are losing trails and parks all over the country and peeps tend to only fight closures in htier own backyard

Online Rally MARCH 12th 2pm-6pm PST. ON PBB. Be there and please post POSITIVE COMMENTS!!

taken from the first post ont he yotatech thread

The Hammers In Serious Trouble! Virtual Rally 3/12/08 Johnson Valley (The Hammers) OHV area is in serious trouble! The Marine Corps want to take over most, if not all of Johnson Valley as part of a massive expansion project. There is going to be a rally next Wednesday (3/12/08 on I urge ALL of you, wether you have been, plan on going, or even if you dont ever plan on going to get on pirate tomorrow and let your VOICE BE HEARD!!!

Johnson Valley is the Mecca of 4 Wheeling on the West Coast. To lose it would be devastating not only to our sport but our industry. We are already losing record amounts of trails, to lose the most famous trail in the West would be very devastating!! I have never been to the Hammers myself but I have always wanted to go and I would be very upset if it was to be closed.

Please, in the name of preserving our trails log on next Wednesday and help us fight their decision!!

Write your representative:

The Virtual Rally Thread on PBB:

Important Announcement! Rally For The Hammers! - Pirate4x4.Com Bulletin Board

Originally Posted by PIRATE 4X4
Announcing the first ever, VIRTUAL RALLY FOR THE HAMMERS

Please read the following very carefully!

We need your help to pull this off and make it effective. Any and all input is greatly appreciated and will be carefully listened to.

First, let me be VERY clear. It does not look good for the Hammers.

John Stewart for Cal4Wheel is working extremely hard on this with several other people and organizations, but they cannot do it all alone. Like never before, the OHV community needs to develop a grass-roots effort to show that we have strength in numbers and that we care about our trails being taken away from us.

Here is the goal:

In a four hour time frame pack Pirate with so many people the server fries and Pirate crashes. (OK, just kidding…but that would sound awesome on a press release! LOL!)

All politicians care about is numbers. If you have ever taken a poly-sci class you may remember hearing that 1 letter from a person is seen as roughly equaling 300 votes. The greatest number of users ever logged into Pirate was 3,305 on 2/11/2008. The goal is to CRUSH that number and have all of those people post up in the Rally thread what the Hammers mean to them and to the OHV community.

When the rally is over, we will lock the thread and fab-up ANOTHER press release to the powers that be, showing how many people attended this virtual rally, how many posts there were, and invite them to read the thread and our concerns if they did not attend.

Here is the Plan:

1. We will issue a press release this Friday to politicians, media outlets, companies etc. announcing a virtual rally on and invite them to come.

2. Lance will do a mass e-mail to ALL PBB members this Friday asking them to participate in the rally from 2-6 by posting their concerns in the thread.

3. We will come up with “sample” post to put in the thread to give people an idea of what we are looking for. (post them here please) Even people that have NEVER been to the Hammers need to post their concerns. This is all about showing how many of us there are and that we have a VOICE as a community.

4. The Rally will be on WEDNESDAY MARCH 12th from 2 to 6 pm Pacific Standard time.

5. Mustard Dog will start the “Rally” thread at 2pm that day. As of now, it will be in chit-chat, but we may be able to have it in all forums at once.

6. In the thread people will post their concerns about our trails being taken away, why the Hammers should remain open, pictures of them and their FAMILIES in the Hammers (appropriate ones!), etc. etc. People are encouraged to post multiple times.

ALL CHIT-CHAT BULL AND INAPPRIOPRATE POSTS WILL BE DELETED! We plan on having important people read this thread. If we are not on our best behavior, the OHV community will look bad.

7. As stated above, after the rally another press-release will be issued showing the number of people attending the rally, the number of posts, data on how fast the thread grew etc… We will also invite those in power that did not attend to read the thread.

What I am asking from all of you:

1. PLEASE: Get the word out! E-mail everyone you know, put something about it in your sig-line, go to other boards and sites and announce the rally, send out bulletins on Myspace etc. etc.

2. Write sample “posts” for people to see and post them here. Hopefully, they can type something up over the weekend and just cut and paste it on the day of the Rally.

Will this Rally save the Hammers? I do not know. But if it shows politicians and land-managers that we are a force to reckon with because of our numbers, it may make them think twice.

Why am I doing this if I have never been to the Hammers? During the ELDO fiasco last summer, I asked for help in chit-chat. People asked me, “Why should we help you guys? Where were YOU when OUR trails were being closed?” After I though about it, they were right. Where was I? It seems that we only fight for our own backyards. Not anymore. I promised the PBB in that thread I would fight route closures EVERYWHERE. So I am.

In a few, I will post up what I plan to post in the rally thread on the 12th.

A huge thanks to John Stewart, Del Albright, Randy Burelson, Cal4, BRC, and the other “Land-use” guys for their help, guidance and support. Many of them are working VERY hard behind the scenes on this issue.

I would also like to thank Lance and Camo for letting us do this on their site.

For all of those that e-mailed and PM’ed me on this: A huge thanks for your input and help. I am asking you to all step up in leadership roles in this.

I am sure there are people I forgot to thank. I am sorry….it’s been a long day already! LOL!!

It’s AWN like Donkey KONG!


Kurt Schneider

The Friends of Eldorado National Forest.

im asking my fellow X'rs to to help us keep our trails
its not just the military trying to take this one, there was the whole paragon valley thing last year

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I will try and be there for that. There's a big push to close Tellico here on the east coast (if it hasn't already been done). It sucks man. They are trying to ban the development of a park near my home because neighbors (miles away mind you) have a petition going saying that the noise from the offroaders will disturb the neighbors when they are trying to sleep. Simple solution... close the damn park at nightfall. It's ridiculous at the angles some of the petitioners take to shut down parks. Don't they realize that if these parks are closed, more and more numbers of people are going to start invading private/restricted properties to get their fix? I see it as being no different than cities developing skate parks for skaters so they won't have to skate the inner cities illegally.

If we want our trails, we have to stand up and defend them.

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I Think I Saw Something About The Tellico Issue On Yotatech, Let Me Do Some Searchin

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I just went to Tellico's website and they are still currently active but still in danger. They are organizing a fundraiser/awareness rally at Tellico the first weekend in April and they are asking anybody with a 4x4 to attend and to MAKE SURE YOU DRIVE THROUGH THE HEART OF THE CITY in an effort to show Murphy, NC the amount of revenue they are in danger of losing if they close the park.

Here's a link to the rally page for Tellico:
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