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Hi:

I'm new here.

Last year, my daughter acquired a 2010 Xterra SE AWD, and it is time for new tires. The climate she lives in dictates M&S tires, so I'm asking for recommendations from all. Price is a consideration as always, but not the sole criteria for sure. Performance, durabilty or length of service, and quiet ride are also important.

For reference, her Xterra came with BFG 265/65R17's. While more service can probably be extracted from these tires, they are not suitable to enter the upcoming winter season.

Any strong recommendations out there, pro or con? I have used Les Scwabb Tires and Discount Tire before, both with usually good results.

Thank you for your help.

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I can talk for a long time on tires.

First, in truck sizes just about everything will be M+S rated. You should decide the category you want to place yourself in based on your road conditions + driving habits

HT - Highway Terrain
AT - All Terrain
MT - Mud Terrain

Each is category is progressively more aggressive and there are varying degrees within each category as well. HT's will be the quietest, in general, and the MT's will be the loudest.

My personal preference for any truck/suv is to put an AT on there even if it is typically on-road service as they will typically provide better traction in the snow, which is a concern where I live - Chicagoland area. I can make a few recommendations in this area if you wish, but I have not much first hand knowledge of MT tires - you would need to wait for help from elsewhere on that.


The best recommendation I can make on tire size is to go up just a touch. 265/65/17 is a weird/uncommon size. 265/70/17 is much more common as it comes as a standard equipment size on many many many Ford and Chevy trucks/SUV's. Economies of scale kick in and that size tire is typically less expensive than the smaller original equipment size of the Xterra. It is a minor bump, fits under the stock xterra with zero modifications or rubbing issues but you should keep in mind the speedo would read just a couple mph SLOWER than you are actually traveling.
 

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Hi:

I'm new here.

Last year, my daughter acquired a 2010 Xterra SE AWD, and it is time for new tires. The climate she lives in dictates M&S tires, so I'm asking for recommendations from all. Price is a consideration as always, but not the sole criteria for sure. Performance, durabilty or length of service, and quiet ride are also important.

For reference, her Xterra came with BFG 265/65R17's. While more service can probably be extracted from these tires, they are not suitable to enter the upcoming winter season.

Any strong recommendations out there, pro or con? I have used Les Scwabb Tires and Discount Tire before, both with usually good results.

Thank you for your help.

Trueheart
I assume that because her MOM is looking for tires for her, that she is very young, or, perhaps, overwhelmed by tasks such as this, etc....

So, that means some questions to the driver might not be available for an answer....

But you might know, so, here goes:

The criteria you listed are generic and what anyone would want....with the problem being that some of the criteria are mutually exclusive.

Tires that last a long time often have hard rubber with poor grip, tires with soft grippy rubber wear out faster, and tires with longer lasting grippy rubber are more expensive.

The fact that you want M&S type function means that generally, the BETTER its M&S performance is, the noisier it will be...as the more aggressive the tread pattern is to maximize M&S performance, the more noise the tread generates....and, again, to make a quieter more aggressive tread means more $, and so forth.

So, its like walking into the sporting goods store, and asking for the best pair of shoes they have, and you'll be using them to play basketball on a hard court, and also to hike the entire Appalachian Trail carrying a 70 lb backpack.

They will need to know how much of either venture you're willing to trade off performance on, as the sturdy hiking boots are not going to work well for basketball, and the sneakers on the trail will leave your ankles in pieces, etc.


So, if you tell them, well, the trail is more important, its just a pick-up game with some friends for an hour before we start the hike...you get full on hiking boots.

If you say you're in a b-ball league, and will play 3x a week for a few months very competitively, and the hike is just a short stint to take some pictures by the road, you're getting basketball sneakers.

If you say you play once in a while with some friends in regular but friendly, pick-up games, and will only hike a few miles once in a while, you might get a set of sturdy cross trainers, and so forth.


So, if the tires are great in deep snow, they will generally be noisier than ones that are terrible in deep snow...and, not handle a dry road as well as the quieter, less aggressively treaded tire.

A tire that is good in the rain is less good when its dry.

And so forth.



What it all boils down to is a PRIORITIZATION.

In order, what are the top priorities?

You can't just say I want a tire that is cheap, lasts a long time, is quiet and good in mud and snow, as it doesn't exist.

You CAN say you want, in order of priority:

1) Dry performance
2) Wet Performance
3) Wear
4) Snow Performance
5) Mud Performance
6) Price
7) Off Road performance (Adds durability, such as more puncture resistance, more aggressive tread blocks, etc...)

Or whatever actually reflects your (Her) priorities. There's no WRONG answer, its whatever you actually WANT.

Its just a realistic way of reflecting what's AVAILABLE.

:D

Otherwise, everyone just tells you to get whatever THEY got.

(Its human nature...)

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if you go to tirerack.com and put in your year/make/model it will bring you the available tires (assuming it has OEM size tires on it).. Each tire has the name and then category beside it..

If you click on the category it will show all tires for that category ranked based on user input. You may have to enter your tire size again on this page so it will indicate what tires are available in your size..

If you click on each tire you can see its warranty (if that is important), specs, or ranking based on user imput (same as above by category)..

You dont have to buy from tirerack - but its a good place to get unbiased user feedback

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Also remember there's a difference between M+S tires and M+S with the snow flake/mountain logo. The ones with the snow flake/mountain are more "severe" winter weather rated than a normal M+S (a lot of all season tires are M+S buy wont do as well as the M+S with snow flake/mountain in winter weather). There are some good all around tires with the snow flake/mountains (Goodyear duratracs, bfg all-terrain T/A KO's), and then some dedicated winter tires with way softer rubber (bridgestone blizzaks for example) that do great as on ice/snow but are too soft for summer use and will wear down fast if used during summer months. You'd want an extra set of rims for those types that you could put on in the winter months only.

Not to confuse you more, but wanted to bring that point up as well

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For tires that aren't winter tires that have the severe weather rating in addition to the Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs and BFG AT KOs, there are the General Grabber AT2s, Pro Comp A/T, and Les Schwab if you have them carries one (Toyo brand).
 

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Also remember there's a difference between M+S tires and M+S with the snow flake/mountain logo. The ones with the snow flake/mountain are more "severe" winter weather rated than a normal M+S (a lot of all season tires are M+S buy wont do as well as the M+S with snow flake/mountain in winter weather). There are some good all around tires with the snow flake/mountains (Goodyear duratracs, bfg all-terrain T/A KO's), and then some dedicated winter tires with way softer rubber (bridgestone blizzaks for example) that do great as on ice/snow but are too soft for summer use and will wear down fast if used during summer months. You'd want an extra set of rims for those types that you could put on in the winter months only.

Not to confuse you more, but wanted to bring that point up as well

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I didnt realize there was a difference between M&S and M&S w/flake mth.. thanks

when looking online how do you tell if it has the flake/mtns?
 

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It'll say in the description. The tires I listed above are the main ones that aren't winter tires.
 

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Thank you all for info. I would say that snow/ice performance, price, and wear are what is important. Wet, mud, and offroad are not priorities. The vehicle doesn't go off road. Dry performance not all that important either. Normal handling in dry conditions should be adequate.

The current tires could be saved and put back on for next summer in order to use them up, and save the new ones for a second winter.

Is there a particular brand to use or not use?

I will try the Tire Rack suggestion.

Again, thanks for input everyone.

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The problem with the Tirerack ratings is that they are invisibly biased.

For example, depending on what they had BEFORE/are used to as a baseline, the reviews seem to be relative only to the INDIVIDUAL'S point of reference.

Example:

A Bridgestone Revo is a decent tire, for the street, light snow, etc...off road, its fine as long as there's not much mud, as it doesn't have paddlewheel shaped tread elements to claw through mud, deeper snow, etc.

A guy who had only experience with his Audi on high speed dry weather tires, who got stuck going fishing, will gush on and on about how UNSTOPPABLE the Revo's were, and how they are the best off road mud tires EVER!

So, sure - its better than a racing slick in mud, but its not even good enough in mud to BE a mud tire, let alone UNSTOPPABLE in mud, etc.


So Joe Audi is THRILLED with them, compared to what he HAD, but, he doesn't know what he DOESN'T know...that he went from a 1 to a 4 out of a scale from 1-10 or so...he thinks he has a 10, maybe an 11

:D

Also, I can see that a lot of people get tires, use the sidewall psi, or, the door jamb placard psi, both of which are pretty much always WRONG unless you get the EXACT OEM tires, except by coincidence, etc...and then complain they don't grip in the wet, the handle poorly, they ride too rough, etc...when they are simply running the wrong psi.

They then RATE the tire based on them running the wrong PSI, as if that's how the tire performs normally, as they don't KNOW they are wrong.




So, KNOWING a lot of the tires for my OWN baselines...I can filter the reviews, and make my own conclusions.

But, frankly, I'd take the rest of the survey results with a grain of salt.

They are NOT worthless, there's info there to be mined, but, lets say small differences might be flipped for any given stat, etc.


No matter what, SOMEONE will always rave, or slam a tire...surveys are like that.

How can one guy rave about how stable and precise the tire is, and the other moan and wail about how dangerously wishy washy handling the same tire was?

Easy, the tire was great compared to what he was USED TO, or, SUCKED compared to what he was used to.


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Thank you all for info. I would say that snow/ice performance, price, and wear are what is important. Wet, mud, and offroad are not priorities. The vehicle doesn't go off road. Dry performance not all that important either. Normal handling in dry conditions should be adequate.

The current tires could be saved and put back on for next summer in order to use them up, and save the new ones for a second winter.

Is there a particular brand to use or not use?

I will try the Tire Rack suggestion.

Again, thanks for input everyone.

Trueheart


OK, you want SNOW TIRES.

Get Bridgestone Blizzaks

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires...ewall=Blackwall&partnum=675R6BZW965&tab=Specs


265/75/16, which is a stock size option on the year Xterra she has.

Enjoy!
 
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