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#1 Old 11-30-2012, 04:11 PM
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I am doing my pml over winter break and i cant decide between the calmini shackles or the AC adjustable. Only reason i am not going to get AC's regular shackles is because i have heard they tend to run a bit longer than usual. I know that i will not have much adjustment left in the front, as i have already leveled my truck, so i may gain roughly a .5"-.75". So i am just looking for advice on what to do. Also any pics of a pml with adjustable shackles at the 1" setting would be great. I cant seem to locate any on the internet or on the forum.

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Just do the pml with the AC shackles that I and everyone else uses and then get low pro bump stops for the front and crank torsions up. Mine sits level and that's what I got. Plus I'm running 33" tires and 18" wheels. (That's with a BL too though)


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has pics of my truck when it had a PML with adjustable shackles....I had them on the 1.5" setting not the 1 inch though...


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I know that i will not have much adjustment left in the front, as i have already leveled my truck, so i may gain roughly a .5"-.75". So i am just looking for advice on what to do.
I got .5"-.75" starting from scratch. If you truly keep a .5" upper bumpstop gap, I doubt you will get much, if any more than you already did. What's your gap currently?

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Just do the pml with the AC shackles that I and everyone else uses and then get low pro bump stops for the front and crank torsions up. Mine sits level and that's what I got. Plus I'm running 33" tires and 18" wheels. (That's with a BL too though)
Low pro bumpstops do nothing but add some downtravel... they don't affect how high you can lift it and still get an alignment. The .5" gap metric is just a reference for how high you can go and still pull the tops of the tires in far enough to dial out the positive camber. You don't want a factory alignment, search for the aftermarket... it calls for 0 camber.

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Low pro bumpstops do nothing but add some downtravel... they don't affect how high you can lift it and still get an alignment. The .5" gap metric is just a reference for how high you can go and still pull the tops of the tires in far enough to dial out the positive camber. You don't want a factory alignment, search for the aftermarket... it calls for 0 camber.
I wasn't saying you get more with them. Just saying I recommend them. I only cranked to the suggested amount of a pml. And that was with stock bump stops. I never cranked again when I changed them.




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I've got AC's adjustable lift shackles, they're beefy as all hell. I've got them on the 2nd-to-highest setting and have been considering bumping them up to the highest.

I can say that if you don't plan on running them at the highest setting, you're going to have a lot of metal hanging down behind your leaf spring. Even on the 2nd-to-last hole I've got a decent amount of shackle sticking straight down behind the springs. Not a huge issue, but it does pose a risk of being caught/banged on obstacles.

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yeah, most people advise against adjustables because you get that extra shackle hanging off. If you have your torsion bars maxed out...you may not have room to go any higher...then you may not even need shackles if you want the leveled look. Most likely if you already raised the torsion bars, you wont have much more lift in the front if any...you may not be able to go any higher with stock ucas.h

I use my adjustables at full height with the UCAs that allow for 3 " in the front...that gives me the more leveled look that is a bit hgher than a pml...expensive though


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Currently i am sitting at about .5" on the left side and a little over .75" on the right. So i have maybe a little adjustment on the right but i am probably done on the left. Id like a little bit of added height but i can't afford UCA's now. Most people have a little bit of rake with a pml i am assuming, plus i have a bl so will a 1.5" rake be too noticeable? I wouldn't mind a little bit of rake i just dont want it ridiculous looking.
The only reason im considering the adjustable shackles now is for the sake of being able to lower the back incase the rake is too much for my liking.
Xtacular- How much rake do you have on your x? It looks like a little bit but i really like the stance of your truck.

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I did the PML with the adjustable shackle...put it on a lower setting first (2nd to last hole) and did not like the large rake...immediately started saving up for UCAs to get more height in the front so I could max the shackle out. The nice thing about that is its an intermediate step before UCAs...

I am putting my body lift in tomorrow...so I will have adjustable shackles, UCAs, and a body lift...I will take some pics to give you something to consider...I drove my truck 3 months or so with just the adjustable PML before I got the UCAs.

I would say though, that I personally would not get the adjustables if UCAs are not in your future sometime, given that your stock UCAs are pretty much maxed out. The extra length hanging off...it probably WONT catch on stuff if you wheel...but it does look goofy and annoyed me with the rake. Without much room for adjustment in the front, it doesn't make much sense to me unless you can lift the front more in the future...as pretty much all extra height will just be in the rear.

On a side note, AC UCAs are indeed expensive and a pain to install...but I think it was definitely worth it. Adjustable shackles on the highest setting and AC UCAs give you a lift that is noticeably more than a PML, and you are still able to maintain the more leveled look ... and you don't stiffen the suspension by adding a leaf pack. Plus, like I said, you can rock a lower setting PML while saving for UCAs....do the lift in stages to ease the financial pain.

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#10 Old 12-01-2012, 11:33 AM
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Thank for the help Rob, you have me convinced! Its tough being in college and trying to mod my truck at the same time, but i should have enough money to get some UCA's relatively soon. Im really interested to see how your truck will look after the body lift. How much rake did you have when you were at just pml? I agree on the adjustable shackle overhang, that would bother me too. Thats the only reason why i keep going back and forth, especially because i am not positive if i will be getting new UCA's soon.

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