To follow up on this, I ended up buying a bumper from Logan Metal Works. I got the one without the pre-runner. I had them powder coat it black. I had it shipped to Sweetgrass Montana and I drove down there and picked it up. Contrary to what i had heard, the service was excellent. They don't immediately respond to all emails and call but WTF they run a small business (so do I) and have other things to do. They shipped exactly when they said, and the bumper was very well packed and received with no damage. I was 100% satisfied with the quality of the bumper, in fact it exceed my expectations in all ways. I have plasma cutting / welding capabilities but to be honest, if we had built our own it would have been far inferior to what I bought. Highly recommended. If anyone wants I would be happy to send a few pictures. Thanks to everyone for the help. John.