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: Tires Rubbing on the Wheel Well


Revu
11-27-2011, 02:06 PM
A lot of people have had issues with rubbing tires on their plastic wheel well liners after upgrading to new tires, but I'm trying to compile a list of available options.

I just lifted my truck with PRGs spacers in the front and AALs in the back, supposed to be about 2" all the way around. I got American Outlaw Shotgun 17x9-10 and wrapped them in Nitto Terra Grappler 285x70-17.

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I love the way they look but when you turn the wheel at rest, the shocks aren't even compressed at all and it hits the wheel well so bad it bends the plastic right out of the way. At full compression of the shocks I'm not sure how bad it would be pushing on the wheel well lining.

Easiest option would be put smaller tires on it. I like those tires though, and Nitto doesn't make Terra Grapplers in the next size down...

So I know a lot of people will say the best option is to just remove the the wheel well liner, but I've seen how bad components can end up rusting without the liner protecting them when they get tar and mud and water sprayed all lover everything. So I'd like to keep a liner.

From the way it looks I don't think the current liner could be trimmed enough without putting a hole in it to make room for these tires unless I'm just totally underestimating how thick these well liners are, but I'd say the tire pushed the liner out at least 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch.

So the other options I'm looking at is if by chance there is any alternative method of mounting the wheel well? Does anyone with experience doing this know if there is maybe enough room to fit an inch spacer at the mounting points so the liner would just sit further back? How much stuff sits behind well liner close enough to be a problem to doing something like that.

I'll get around to looking myself eventually but I just barely finished installing the lift, it's a bit tiring, and have a huge gash on my hand from crushing it between a wrench and the UCA.

So any advice/feedback/experience would be greatly appreciated. If there are other options that anyone has done to make this work before, please let me know! Thanks!

TJTJ
11-27-2011, 03:25 PM
A lot of people have had issues with rubbing tires on their plastic wheel well liners after upgrading to new tires, but I'm trying to compile a list of available options.

I just lifted my truck with PRGs spacers in the front and AALs in the back, supposed to be about 2" all the way around. I got American Outlaw Shotgun 17x9-10 and wrapped them in Nitto Terra Grappler 285x70-17.

http://streetquest.net/photos/x1.jpg

http://streetquest.net/photos/x2.jpg

http://streetquest.net/photos/x3.jpg

I love the way they look but when you turn the wheel at rest, the shocks aren't even compressed at all and it hits the wheel well so bad it bends the plastic right out of the way. At full compression of the shocks I'm not sure how bad it would be pushing on the wheel well lining.

Easiest option would be put smaller tires on it. I like those tires though, and Nitto doesn't make Terra Grapplers in the next size down...

So I know a lot of people will say the best option is to just remove the the wheel well liner, but I've seen how bad components can end up rusting without the liner protecting them when they get tar and mud and water sprayed all lover everything. So I'd like to keep a liner.

From the way it looks I don't think the current liner could be trimmed enough without putting a hole in it to make room for these tires unless I'm just totally underestimating how thick these well liners are, but I'd say the tire pushed the liner out at least 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch.

So the other options I'm looking at is if by chance there is any alternative method of mounting the wheel well? Does anyone with experience doing this know if there is maybe enough room to fit an inch spacer at the mounting points so the liner would just sit further back? How much stuff sits behind well liner close enough to be a problem to doing something like that.

I'll get around to looking myself eventually but I just barely finished installing the lift, it's a bit tiring, and have a huge gash on my hand from crushing it between a wrench and the UCA.

So any advice/feedback/experience would be greatly appreciated. If there are other options that anyone has done to make this work before, please let me know! Thanks!

Well, all you need to do to move the wheel wells up out of the way more is add a body lift, simply insert spacers between the frame and body to lift the wheel wells up 2-3" (Whichever spacer thickness you prefer...).

MOST people with your X and tire size only have the rubbing at the bulge in the liner you are experiencing.

To fix that, you take a hairdryer or heat gun if you have it, and just shrink the plastic liner bulge back out of the way.

Its called "The Melt Mod", and pretty much everyone with 285's does it, and that's ALL they need to do. (There's nothing behind the bulge....so its a no-brainer).

Enjoy!

:D

Note:

A SUSPENSION LIFT doesn't work well for making room for tires in this case, as when you go over a bump, or otherwise compress the suspension, the tires go up and hit whatever they'd hit WITHOUT a lift....

IE: The extra tire room goes where your lap does when you stand up.

:D

A BODY LIFT is to make room for larger tires...that's what they are FOR.

In your case, as you only upgraded to 33's on a truck that could come with 32's stock...you don't NEED a BL or an SL anyway...ALL you need is the melt mod.

:D


Caveat...if you have too little backspacing on the new rims, you get more tire rub than the same tires on a stock rim, etc.

Revu
11-27-2011, 06:44 PM
Its called "The Melt Mod", and pretty much everyone with 285's does it, and that's ALL they need to do. (There's nothing behind the bulge....so its a no-brainer).

I had never heard of the melt mod before. Any tool in particular that works best to move the plastic back or just poke it with a stick while the heat gun's got it warm? :D

It does seem to be rubbing mostly on that bulge there in the liner just like you said. I'll have to give it a try later on in the week.

There is another person here on club X who had the exact same size tires I'm putting on with the suspension set up which is why I was sure they would fit. The big difference is his wheels have a 0 offset and mine have a -10. I'm hoping 10 millimeters of less backspace won't throw things off too much but there are a heck of a lot of variables.

I even noticed that there seemed to be a bit more clearance at the front of the tires than at the back and was wondering if maybe there was any way to align the caster forward just a bit on the Xterra to balance that out. It still needs an alignment real bad, I can tell it has some positive camber now. That might affect how much it rubs too.

Thanks a lot for the advice!

TJTJ
11-27-2011, 07:24 PM
I had never heard of the melt mod before. Any tool in particular that works best to move the plastic back or just poke it with a stick while the heat gun's got it warm? :D

It does seem to be rubbing mostly on that bulge there in the liner just like you said. I'll have to give it a try later on in the week.

There is another person here on club X who had the exact same size tires I'm putting on with the suspension set up which is why I was sure they would fit. The big difference is his wheels have a 0 offset and mine have a -10. I'm hoping 10 millimeters of less backspace won't throw things off too much but there are a heck of a lot of variables.

I even noticed that there seemed to be a bit more clearance at the front of the tires than at the back and was wondering if maybe there was any way to align the caster forward just a bit on the Xterra to balance that out. It still needs an alignment real bad, I can tell it has some positive camber now. That might affect how much it rubs too.

Thanks a lot for the advice!

Go Here:

http://www.clubxterra.org/forums/showthread.php?t=6021

(Melt Mod Write Up)

:D

Revu
11-28-2011, 09:14 AM
That's awesome! Thanks, I'll be giving that a try hopefully tonight!

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You Rock!

AZ-Ted
12-04-2011, 03:00 AM
Yep, melt mod should work - at least for stock wheels with 285/75/16. You've got different wheels and tires, so it may work, or you may still have some rubbing.

Living in Tucson, you will not need your fender liners - I haven't had any for about 3 years now (I'm in Phoenix).

BTW, you should check out www.azxterraclub.com. There are some members in Tucson that can help you.

Revu
12-05-2011, 10:13 AM
That is funky, I was doing a search on Xterra stuff and found the AZXterraclub - I even saw your profile there, lol - and then I came back over here and saw your post linking to it! I'll definitely sign up in a bit here.

I went ahead and tried the melt mod out, but unfortunately the extra backspacing on my new wheels looks like it pushes the tire out just enough to rub slightly on the bottom of the actual metal fender. I've got it over at 4 Wheel Parts today being looked at for possible trimming.

Probably going to do things a little different - have the spacer coming out and going with a Bilstein 5100 adjustable instead. It definitely needed a better shock because the previous owner replaced all of them with Monroes (It's an Offroad package Xterra, WHYYYYY?!) So with the different shocks, an alignment, and a little bit of trimming, everything should end up going nicely.

With any luck I'll have it back tomorrow night.
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Deltaphi216
12-05-2011, 06:15 PM
those wheels are nice! a little trim and a little melt and you should be good. I have been on the fence about running w/o the fender liners too...problem is, in STL, we get lots of stupid road salt in the winter.

Revu
12-08-2011, 02:04 PM
A little melt, a little trim, (no more front splash guards...) and viola! Thanks for all the advice, I wouldn't have been able to keep my head on straight without getting tips from you guys :biggrin:

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Man I need to get rid of that front dealer plate...

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Things are looking good!

TJTJ
12-08-2011, 03:20 PM
Glad you were able to use the resources to your benefit.

:D

That's what we're here for.

:D

The rig look s great now!

Revu
12-08-2011, 04:05 PM
Definitely getting there! Thanks again! http://streetquest.net/photos/ThumbsUp.jpg