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Why even bother going to a bar anymore?

yep, heard about that one

ummmmm isn't that entrapment...??

dont they have cabs in texas or designated drivers i thought public smoking ban in ohio was bad but that is about assinine!!!! did the bush twins get arrested too

Where I live they have the common courtesy of watching you leave the bar in your vehicle then "detaining" you :eek:

even though everyone is up in arms
i mean come on its texas
and the article is very true, being drunk in a bar is still public intoxication

i do agree with all you it is BS but think about the drunk driving accidents and such



en·trap
en·trapped, en·trap·ping, en·traps
1. To catch in or as if in a trap.

a. To lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising situation. See Synonyms at catch.
b. To lure into performing a previously or otherwise uncontemplated illegal act.



Main Entry: en·trap·ment
Function: noun
1 : the action or process of entrapping <entrapment is un-American and has no place in law enforcement —Tip O'Neill>
2 : the state or condition of being entrapped; also : the affirmative defense of having been entrapped by a government agent (as an officer or informant) —see also PREDISPOSE
NOTE: Entrapment is available as a defense only when an agent of the state or federal government has provided the encouragement or inducement. This defense is sometimes allowed in administrative proceedings (as for the revocation of a license to practice medicine) as well as criminal proceedings. In order to establish entrapment, the defendant has the burden of proving either that he or she would not have committed the crime but for the undue persuasion or fraud of the government agent, or that the encouragement was such that it created a risk that persons not inclined to commit the crime would commit it, depending on the jurisdiction. When entrapment is pleaded, evidence (as character evidence) regarding the defendant that might otherwise have been excluded is allowed to be admitted.





entrapment

n : a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials

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i think technically its not entrapment because they arent setting any trap or luring anybody into drinking. It would be different if the police ran the bar :)

even though everyone is up in arms
i mean come on its texas
and the article is very true, being drunk in a bar is still public intoxication

i do agree with all you it is BS but think about the drunk driving accidents and such



en·trap
en·trapped, en·trap·ping, en·traps
1. To catch in or as if in a trap.

a. To lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising situation. See Synonyms at catch.
b. To lure into performing a previously or otherwise uncontemplated illegal act.



Main Entry: en·trap·ment
Function: noun
1 : the action or process of entrapping <entrapment is un-American and has no place in law enforcement —Tip O'Neill>
2 : the state or condition of being entrapped; also : the affirmative defense of having been entrapped by a government agent (as an officer or informant) —see also PREDISPOSE
NOTE: Entrapment is available as a defense only when an agent of the state or federal government has provided the encouragement or inducement. This defense is sometimes allowed in administrative proceedings (as for the revocation of a license to practice medicine) as well as criminal proceedings. In order to establish entrapment, the defendant has the burden of proving either that he or she would not have committed the crime but for the undue persuasion or fraud of the government agent, or that the encouragement was such that it created a risk that persons not inclined to commit the crime would commit it, depending on the jurisdiction. When entrapment is pleaded, evidence (as character evidence) regarding the defendant that might otherwise have been excluded is allowed to be admitted.





entrapment

n : a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials

-----------------------------


i think technically its not entrapment because they arent setting any trap or luring anybody into drinking. It would be different if the police ran the bar :)

Let me see you explain that to a Texas cop when you're drunk........

even though everyone is up in arms
i mean come on its texas
and the article is very true, being drunk in a bar is still public intoxication

i do agree with all you it is BS but think about the drunk driving accidents and such



en·trap
en·trapped, en·trap·ping, en·traps
1. To catch in or as if in a trap.

a. To lure into danger, difficulty, or a compromising situation. See Synonyms at catch.
b. To lure into performing a previously or otherwise uncontemplated illegal act.



Main Entry: en·trap·ment
Function: noun
1 : the action or process of entrapping <entrapment is un-American and has no place in law enforcement —Tip O'Neill>
2 : the state or condition of being entrapped; also : the affirmative defense of having been entrapped by a government agent (as an officer or informant) —see also PREDISPOSE
NOTE: Entrapment is available as a defense only when an agent of the state or federal government has provided the encouragement or inducement. This defense is sometimes allowed in administrative proceedings (as for the revocation of a license to practice medicine) as well as criminal proceedings. In order to establish entrapment, the defendant has the burden of proving either that he or she would not have committed the crime but for the undue persuasion or fraud of the government agent, or that the encouragement was such that it created a risk that persons not inclined to commit the crime would commit it, depending on the jurisdiction. When entrapment is pleaded, evidence (as character evidence) regarding the defendant that might otherwise have been excluded is allowed to be admitted.





entrapment

n : a defense that claims the defendant would not have broken the law if not tricked into doing it by law enforcement officials

-----------------------------


i think technically its not entrapment because they arent setting any trap or luring anybody into drinking. It would be different if the police ran the bar :)


Not the fact that the police are detaining them in a bar... I mean the fact that they are PLAIN CLOTHES cops whose job it is to go in, make buddies with them and then wait for them to leave the bar... It's just wrong, that's all... :)

Not the fact that the police are detaining them in a bar... I mean the fact that they are PLAIN CLOTHES cops whose job it is to go in, make buddies with them and then wait for them to leave the bar... It's just wrong, that's all... :)

The world were growing up in........ sucks.

That's the way Texas has always been. I lived there from early 96 to late 2000 and they have always been outside the door to a bar, watching everyone leave (if you trip, you're toast) or walking through the bars or even just hanging out inside. There were about 6 cops at any given time at the bar I used to go to. It sucks but they do have a law that says you can not be drunk in public (not drunk and disorderly like everyone else.) It's not entrapment because the cops are simply observing in a "public view" capacity. If you're in public and you are drunk then you are comitting a crime like stealing a TV and if the police observe this then you are going to jail. Get this, even if you recognize that you've had too much and decide to walk home rather than drive, they will still pick you up and haul you off to jail. Thing is...if you get drunk at home and then drive, you're probably not going to get caught cuz the cop are all at the bar.
Point is (and I apologize to my Xterra friends that live in Texas) there's alot about Texas that is just hype. If you're thinking of going there - don't. If you're already there - leave like I did. Although there are many billionaires in Texas, Texas is one of the poorest states and home to 17 of the poorest counties in the nation so get drunk and help out their economy! Ok, I'm done.

When is some government enforcement agency going to declare your own home and property a public place,and come busting down your door for having a few beers at home. You pay your county for the honor of living there. Who is to say that they wont just declare your home a public area and take you away? They do it if they want to build an exit ramp or highway. When are they going to intrude on what we hold sacred our hearth and home? This a brave new world only our masters dont have the kindness to give us our soma.

When is some government enforcement agency going to declare your own home and property a public place,and come busting down your door for having a few beers at home. You pay your county for the honor of living there. Who is to say that they wont just declare your home a public area and take you away? They do it if they want to build an exit ramp or highway. When are they going to intrude on what we hold sacred our hearth and home? This a brave new world only our masters dont have the kindness to give us our soma.

Do I hear an Aldous Huxley fan? :D

I cant tell you how many times I've read that book...

"I predict future happiness for americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than those attending too small a dergree of it."
thomas jefferson (the true father of our country)
I really dont understand why everyone is just sitting around taking this shit! we need to take a stand for what we believe in. I cant believe that Texas of all places is where something like this has got to begin. I thought Texans were the stand up and fight kind of people, dont take crap from anyone, I guess thats why Vermonts state motto is live free or die.
I'm from PA and I dont think they would ever get away with this stuff. Will you be able to use a public restroom without being fined for public urination, I just dont understand.

I have to ammend the last statement I made, here in PA was the place where the US government sent troops to act against americans. It was called the whiskey rebellion. The federal government sent troops to enforce the tax collection that was refused by the makers. The troops ended up killing a bunch of americans to enforce the tax law imposed by the government.