Any idea if this one is a scam?? The only thing I dont like about my xterra is the gas mileage...

http://www.runyourcarwithwater.com/?hop=sipboy3000&gclid=CIqalKHumZICFRM8awody16U-g

Phil

Running on water is not a scam but that website sure looks like a scam.

It'd be awesome if it wasn't. Something about hooking a line that water may go through to my intake doesn't excite me. Nor does expecting some tiny little cheap device to seperate oxygen and hydrogen then adding two hydrogen or whatever. Just buy a Neon and only drive your X to wheel or impress a date. Now give me $200 for the money I saved you from buying that...

Oh and if you're looking for an alternative fuel thats proven there always propane. I think one site is www.gotpropane.com (http://www.gotpropane.com) there's a few out there. I've seen a good number of Toyota and Suzuki's running on propane. Most people say they get better torque, slightly better mileage or about the same, but the savings is on the cost of the propane. It's supposed to be like half the price of gas.

This sounds like the thing off of Mythbusters. It did not produce enough Hydrogen any where near fast enough to use for fuel in the engine. They ended up attaching a cylinder of hydrogen to the engine to prove the theory and it blew the motor.

Hydrogen powered motors are very real, and feasible even. However, onboard hydrogen production is a sham. It takes more energy to break the bonds in the water and harvest the hydrogen than what you would get from burning it. You would have to sink a third party engergy source (such as hydro-electric, wind, nuclear, solar) to break the water down and get the hydrogen. Then fill up your tank, and drive away.

Hydrogen powered motors are very real, and feasible even. However, onboard hydrogen production is a sham. It takes more energy to break the bonds in the water and harvest the hydrogen than what you would get from burning it. You would have to sink a third party engergy source (such as hydro-electric, wind, nuclear, solar) to break the water down and get the hydrogen. Then fill up your tank, and drive away.



There are actually several things that would have to overcome other than the energy needed. You would have to control and calibrate the reaction to produce different gas rates. IE: little gas at idle and a lot of gas at full throttle.


I have a different idea on the entire subject and instead of only running on hydrogen and oxygen, I am going to supplement my gasoline with oxygen and hydrogen. I am going to draw power of the car's electrical system to make the reaction happen, but not enough to drain the battery. I have no clue how much gas will be produced or how much it will be noticed, but it is something to do.


PS, this is soccerbraces' friend Brad. I'll have him post back how it goes.

Don't blow yourself up! I know oxygen can spontaneously combust in the presence of many petrochemicals, oil especially. Don't know about gas though, but I'd do some research. This is the reason that they make sure you don't ever oil up the regulators on you oxy/acetylene tanks and what not.

wtf that site looks like total snake oil, i didnt want to waste more than a couple minutes there.. i believe the whole idea is great but not that site...

I think that site gave me a virus. lol. Who wants to run their car with water. Gas makes cool noises and it can explode!! How cool is that!!!!!!!!!!!!! :)

and rachael is annoying, sometime i wish real life people had a mute button like here haha....

If you go to youtube.com and type in "water car" or "hydrogen generator" you can find out all the info you need to build them for free. Tons of guys are building them and showing them off. The sites are all a scam, lol. With that said, hydrogen is very dangerous stuff and can kill you (BOOM!!!), so do lots of research before working with it, and don't get dead.

I'm thinking of building one this summer and puting it on my MR2, it get 38mpg or so now, but some guys are claiming 65-70mpg with the little hydrogen generator installed, that would be cool, lol. If I get around to building it, I'll post the results. In the mean time I'm doing lots more research on the whole thing, lol

so...have you done any of the research for this conversion yet? It'd be pretty nice to have somebody do it that actually would communicate on what to do with out, "buy this for $5,544.34 and you'll get 1 on 1 instructions!"

It's funny, you ask, I was talking about it tonight, lol. I've done quite a bit of research actually, and I'm going to build one sometime this summer (what the hell, lol). I'll let you know what I find out. If you want to check out others that have done them check out youtube, there are tons of videos on there of people that have them running on their cars right now, you just have to weed through all the BS to find the good stuff, lol.

Todd, you have an MR2? What year?

My buddy Brad wants to do the conversion on his X next weekend or so

james, if you end up helping your buddy do that conversion you guys should designate a picture taker/step writer downer! Then post it all ASAP before the gas companies find you, that way we can all mooch off yall's hard work!

I'm just joking, unless you'll do it...I'm kidding...but seriously

BMW made some hydrogen cars, basically the same engine with some tweaked parts, but it injected hydrogen into the tanks instead of gas, it combusted, much more cleanly, then out the exhaust. And people all say hydrogen is so dangerous, it is don't get me wrong, but so is gas.

Todd, you have an MR2? What year?

My buddy Brad wants to do the conversion on his X next weekend or so

Mine is an 86.

It's dropped 4.5". shaved door handles, shaved marker lights, shaved antenna, 3 stage pearl white paint (w/violet and blue pearl added to the clear), all custom interior, crazy stereo with a 15" subwoofer under the hood in the front, one off custom machined 15"x7" wheels to get the prefect offset (hey those where huge back in the day, lol), modded brakes to get the wheels to fit, and lots, lots more, lol. Pretty much all done by me, except the paint, I traded with a buddy to squirt it for me. I built it 17 years ago (doesn't look to bad for just being my shop car, lol)

http://graveyardgraphics.com/MR2.JPG

I figure it would be a good trial run car for a hyrdogen generator.

Looks like an awesome car creepy, could by chance post some pics of the interior and such in the other rides section?

Sure, I'll have to take some in the next day or so. I have so many cars though, you may need to make a new section just for me, lol.

all things heard and considered, its not the so called hydrogen or oxygen increase as it is the presence of an inert gas taking up space in the combustion chamber therefore increasing compression with its presence. its an old school trick used by a lot of older hot rodders called water injection and it was really popular before nitrous became so affordable. it is steadily becoming more and more rare to find someone who has any real experience with it.

this is my first post and ive bee on this site for 2 days now and really like the amount of activity and the way the longer term members treat noobs like me.

thanks guys

I'm totally interested in the technology, so whomever builds a hydrogen generator, tell us how you did it. It would be super cool to rig my Xterra up so it adds a little hydrogen in my fuel mix.

I bet it makes you burn cleaner and get a bit more power.

we built and test one of these at school and It did not shoow much of an inprovement in fuel mileage. I don't believe the 40% quote. Maybe 2 percent. But I wouldn't waste my time building it. Running on Hyrdogen takes alot of work to actually make it worth the cost. Take the BMW Hydrogen 7 or whatever its called. its costs a couple hundered thousand dollars just cause of hte cost to build it.

you guys are gonna blow yourselves up.

I have what's supposed to be a really good Generator, Bubbler Bottle, and AFR adjuster if someone wants to buy it to try but I'd strongly recommend against it. I paid around $260 for it and can provide details but I'm gonna post my findings and warnings first.

As I've read more and more on this, I've found that these guys are leaning their AFR to insane lean amounts. The Hydrogen helps the motor allow for further than recommended leaning. Keep in mind that leaning a motor too much is dangerous, especially on a aluminum block. On mine (My VK56 is equivelant to the 2nd gen Xterra), the ECU compensates for the leaning and actually ends up making the AFR too rich using more gas. So, I'd end up having to get some O2 sensor extenders and extend the sensors on my exhaust manifolds. The more and more that I've looked into this, the more I decided not to do it. The AFR leaning being discussed really got to the point where I just do not want to try that on my engine.

I can promise that alot of the claims are highly exaggerated. You'd realisticly be looking at about 20-22 MPG and most of that gain would be from leaning the AFR and feeding less fuel into the motor.

I have everything except for the O2 sensor extenders and would LOVE to sell (price negotiable) if someone really wants to try this. But I have to be honest in saying that I think you'll be wasting your $$$ and your time. It is supposed to be an awesome generator, everything brand new still in the box, and cheaper than you can find another for the quality.

If you're dead set on trying this, just let me know what you're looking at and I'll post details of it and save you from spending more $$$ on something else and get wifey off my back for letting this thing sit on a shelf brand new in the box.

Here's a couple threads we have on it:

http://www.clubarmada.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11565&page=5

http://www.clubtitan.org/forums/showthread.php?t=48269&page=8


Here's the same generator as I have. I'd post straight to the seller except this guy speaks from experience with his (which I never tried mine) that I think is valuable to your decision. I know that Chogokin has the exact same system that I have and got his working fine, he just didn't like the sounds coming from the motor and didn't want to mess with O2 extenders which is what started intimidating me out of doing it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Hydrogen-generator-fuel-cell-HHO-March-Lab-not-dry-cell_W0QQitemZ150309537737QQihZ005QQcategoryZ3240Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Whatever you do, DO YOUR HOMEWORK before spending $.01. Then please make me a reasonable offer if you're seriously gonna go through with it. I'm obviously honest and would like to get 1/2 of my $$$ back while cutting you a good deal. I'll post pics if you're still interested after you research it further. Just keep in mind that there's a whole LOT of BS out there.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xe7x2p_45-mpg-nissan-xterra-with-hho-gener_auto

This guy put some HHO into his x and claims 45mpg. The only thing backing him up is a website that advertises his stuff over the others. Still, I live in Mammoth where it's STILL snowing outside so I don't think adding plain water (or solid ice for 7 months) to my system is a good call. Anyone tried this crap yet?

I've heard of big rigs running a hydrogen system, but the improvements ARE NOT huge by any means. Companies with a fleet of big rigs saving even a MPG or two helps when you're putting as many miles on a year as they do per truck * the number of trucks.

If these systems worked as well as the (I say scanners) say they do, auto manufacturers would just stick a cheap system on to meet the fed average MPG limits set on cars and light trucks.

Instead companies like Honda have the opposite setup out there (in California anyhow) where you fill the tank with hydrogen and out comes water. The MPG isn't a huge improvement over gas, and the HP is about the same as well. In fact it was covered in an episode of Top Gear IIRC with James doing the driving

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Seems 'scammy' to me. I've never seen or heard of a good testimonial outside of the sites selling the stuff.

I tuned my X to run on Snake Oil.

I catch snakes, and put them in a snake press, and out comes the snake oil...ready to use.

If you send me scads of money, I'll ship you some snake oil to use in your truck.


As a potential benefit of snake oil, your acne will clear up overnight, your head will re-grow hair, all cancers are cured, the opposite sex will find you irresistible, and strangers will die and leave you money....guaranteed placebo effect for those in need!


As a matter of fact, I Guarantee that Snake Oil will do EVERY SINGLE THING that it does!


:mafioso-big:

I've even heard that 60% of the time, Snake Oil works every time!

I ran Snake oil in my seized up rear diff, worked like nothing had changed! I'd recommend it for every seized up rear diff out there.

And TJ over-nighted it for me, he's that kind of guy. ;)

I've even heard that 60% of the time, Snake Oil works every time!

I ran Snake oil in my seized up rear diff, worked like nothing had changed! I'd recommend it for every seized up rear diff out there.

And TJ over-nighted it for me, he's that kind of guy. ;)

Yep, works every time. I heard they now have an Xterra Ninja upgrade. It converts your X to run like a ninja. Mileage doesn't increase or anything, but nobody can see you coming. Super stealthy.

i cant wait for an alternate means of fuel

i cant wait for an alternate means of fuel

Too bad you can't wait....a bunch are available already.

Some are even practical for a small number of people.

:)

Like I said.. I believe the civic hpx or whatever its called can be purchased (in limited.numbers) in California. And Toyota and shell I think it was went together on a hydrogen station or distribution center where its PIPED in, not trucked in. First in the country.

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I have a thread I just started that is 'sort of' related to this post...
http://www.clubxterra.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31614
(http://www.clubxterra.org/forums/showthread.php?t=31614) using vaporized fuel as a much more efficient means to power vehicles... still gasoline (well, doesn't HAVE to be, actually) but will theoretically greatly boost mpg without too much expensive modification. - Oh, and a poll as well. :)

thats funny i built 2 small generator about 4 or 5 years ago they can be built cheap or expensive depending on the grade of materials and size . but yes it is very very explosive i had a bubbler blow up on me once sounded like a 50 cal going off in my living room lol

thats funny i built 2 small generator about 4 or 5 years ago they can be built cheap or expensive depending on the grade of materials and size . but yes it is very very explosive i had a bubbler blow up on me once sounded like a 50 cal going off in my living room lol

LOL, sorry it went off but that does give me hope that with a little time/effort and skill I might be able to get it working properly and dependably... maybe even make a bolt-on kit or DIY specifically for our engines - after a lot of testing that is :)

Look it up on mythbusters. They proved it doesn't improve fuel economy.

LOL, sorry it went off but that does give me hope that with a little time/effort and skill I might be able to get it working properly and dependably... maybe even make a bolt-on kit or DIY specifically for our engines - after a lot of testing that is :)

it blew up cause i didnt put a safety valve but what you want is a drie cell it will produce more and more hho in the process and easier to maintain questions just pm me willing to answer if i can ive been experimenting with it for a good while

I've actually been researching this for a long time, and never really had the balls to do it. I'm always a little nervous about adding anything like that to my vehicle.

A girl I work with did it on some old compact car and is getting about 4 more mpg. She went from about 28 to 32mpg.
EDIT: She didn't incorporate an EFIE into hers. I didn't ask her how old the car was, so she may or may not end up getting worse mileage in the end.

I just bought a 2001 Xterra a couple months ago and the ONLY thing I don't like about it, is the gas mileage. I'm in college, so 15 mpg is KILLING me! haha

I also have 1996 Ford Ranger Splash, which I have parked for the remainder of college. I had originally planned to experiment on the Ranger. It already gets about 30 mpg on the highway (with the A/C off and windows down haha...in the summer...not enjoyable at all in SC!).

Anyway, what I've found out is that people will either get O2 extenders or EFIE (electronic fuel injection enhancers). The O2 extenders are basically just a spacer to put on the O2 sensor and I think the general consensus is that this is not the best way of doing it. More people tend to go with the EFIEs so that they can actually tune the fuel mixture properly. The EFIE goes between the O2 sensors and the computer in your car. What it does is (from what I understand) is change the voltage reading from the O2 sensor and tricks the computer into thinking the engine is running too rich (too much fuel), then it pumps in less gas.

The HHO (hydrogen-hydrogen-oxygen gas - brown's gas) is pumped into the air intake and compensates for what would normally be too lean of a mixture. This does put a little more stress on your alternator from what I understand because it has to run a little more to keep up the production of the HHO gas.

If you hook one of these HHO generators up to a car without incorporating the EFIE, the computer actually thinks the car is running too lean and pumps in MORE gas which causes WORSE gas mileage.

Like someone else stated, the dry cell HHO generators are the most efficient, and you can find everything you need to know on youtube.

As far as safety goes, I personally think using a bubbler alone is asking for an explosion. It is better to use a flashback arrestor in combination with a bubbler and maybe some check valves to prevent any water from being sucked into the engine.

Just my two cents. If I knew there was no way I would cause any harm to my xterra, I would jump on it. I'm just not entirely confident yet.

I have a nice generator, bubbler, and MAF controller all sitting brand new in the box that I'll be happy to sell, make me an offer. If you want to know why I didnt install it, it's because those browns gas setups are designed to run the fuel too lean then depend on the HHO to supplement it, the O2 extenders are to keep the ECU from detecting the lean mixture... A lean mixture = heat; heat + aluminum block = a big no no.

Just let me know if I need to dig it out to ship. ;)