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pscrow86
02-17-2008, 06:45 AM
the turn signals on my friends 02 xterra stopped working.. checked all the fuses in the car and under the hood and it seems ok. also the hazards are not working. has anyone else experienced this? i'm leaning towards a the switch being bad. i'm new to working on nissans and firgured this would be a good source for some tech help.. the dealers answer is to "bring it in"
thanks, Pat.

dezurtrat
02-17-2008, 08:51 AM
Pat, well welcome to the site (sort of). My first guess would have been a fuse. I'll have to check my '02 Service manual when I get a chance and see what I can find. Maybe the multi-function switch on the steering column is acting up.

soccerbrace
02-17-2008, 10:04 AM
Your hazard fuse is blown, or the hazard switch is not connected to the plug

Welcome to the club!

FYI, none of your blinkers will work if the hazard are not working

-James

json3904
02-17-2008, 11:28 AM
is there a relay for the turn/hazard lights i if so it could be out..... i will look at the manual today and post info on it tonight.....

pvfjr
02-18-2008, 11:30 PM
System Description


TURN SIGNAL OPERATION

With the hazard switch in the OFF position and the ignition switch in the ON or START position, power is supplied
 through 7.5A fuse [No. 2, located in the fuse block (J/B)]
 to hazard switch terminal 2
 through the hazard switch terminal 1
 to combination flasher unit terminal B
 through combination flasher unit terminal L
 to turn signal switch terminal 1.
Ground is supplied to combination flasher unit terminal E through body grounds M14 and M68.

LH Turn

With the turn signal switch in the LH position, power is supplied from turn signal switch terminal 3 to
 front combination lamp LH terminal 1
 combination meter terminal 11 and
 rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to front combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the LH turn signal lamps.

RH Turn

With the turn signal switch in the RH position, power is supplied from turn signal switch terminal 2 to
 front combination lamp RH terminal 1
 combination meter terminal 28 and
 rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to the front combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to the rear combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the RH turn signal lamps.

HAZARD LAMP OPERATION

Power is supplied at all times to hazard switch terminal 3 through:
 10A fuse [No. 17, located in the fuse block (J/B)].
With the hazard switch in the ON position, power is supplied
 through hazard switch terminal 1
 to combination flasher unit terminal B
 through combination flasher unit terminal L
 to hazard switch terminal 4.
Ground is supplied to combination flasher unit terminal E through body grounds M14 and M68.
Power is supplied through hazard switch terminal 5 to
 front combination lamp LH terminal 1
 combination meter terminal 11 and
 rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Power is supplied through hazard switch terminal 6 to
 front combination lamp RH terminal 1
 combination meter terminal 28 and
 rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to front combination lamp LH/RH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the hazard warning
lamps.


REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM OPERATION

Power is supplied at all times to smart entrance control unit terminal 49
 through 9.5A fuse [No. 28, located in the fuse block (J/B)].
Ground is supplied to smart entrance control unit terminals 43 and 64.
Refer to “REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM”, EL-203.
When smart entrance control unit receives LOCK or UNLOCK signal from key fob with all doors closed, power
is supplied through smart entrance control unit terminal 47
 to front combination lamp LH terminal 1
 to combination meter terminal 11
 to rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Power is supplied through smart entrance control unit terminal 48
 to front combination lamp RH terminal 1
 to combination meter terminal 28
 to rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of each front combination lamp through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of rear combination lamp LH through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of rear combination lamp RH through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the smart entrance control unit controls the flashing of the hazard warning
lamps.

Hope this helps. I'd guess it's your combination flasher unit. Supplies both hazards and turn. Find the flasher and check it for power and ground. With the ignition in the on position, the white wire w/ green stripe going to the flasher should have power. The black wire should be connected to ground. If these conditions are met, than there's nothing wrong with the fuses, or the hazard switch. If it was the turn signal switch, then your hazards should still work, so I'm betting that's not it. It could be a bad connection or faulty hazard switch, but power at the flasher would eliminate that.

Your hazard fuse is blown, or the hazard switch is not connected to the plug

Welcome to the club!

FYI, none of your blinkers will work if the hazard are not working

-James I disagree, to a point. Just went through this today with my X, turn signals worked fine with a blown hazard fuse. You can see that there are two separate fuses supplying the flasher. One feeds straight through the hazard switch and supplies the turn signals. If you flip on the hazards, it removes that power source, and connect to the hazard fuse. So the 10A hazard fuse is just for hazards, and the 7.5A turn signal fuse is just for the turn signals. However, you are correct that the turn signals won't work if the hazard switch is disconnected, cause you'll lose that power feedthrough to the flasher.

soccerbrace
02-19-2008, 12:53 AM
System Description


TURN SIGNAL OPERATION

With the hazard switch in the OFF position and the ignition switch in the ON or START position, power is supplied
 through 7.5A fuse [No. 2, located in the fuse block (J/B)]
 to hazard switch terminal 2
 through the hazard switch terminal 1
 to combination flasher unit terminal B
 through combination flasher unit terminal L
 to turn signal switch terminal 1.
Ground is supplied to combination flasher unit terminal E through body grounds M14 and M68.

LH Turn

With the turn signal switch in the LH position, power is supplied from turn signal switch terminal 3 to
 front combination lamp LH terminal 1
 combination meter terminal 11 and
 rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to front combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the LH turn signal lamps.

RH Turn

With the turn signal switch in the RH position, power is supplied from turn signal switch terminal 2 to
 front combination lamp RH terminal 1
 combination meter terminal 28 and
 rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to the front combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to the rear combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the RH turn signal lamps.

HAZARD LAMP OPERATION

Power is supplied at all times to hazard switch terminal 3 through:
 10A fuse [No. 17, located in the fuse block (J/B)].
With the hazard switch in the ON position, power is supplied
 through hazard switch terminal 1
 to combination flasher unit terminal B
 through combination flasher unit terminal L
 to hazard switch terminal 4.
Ground is supplied to combination flasher unit terminal E through body grounds M14 and M68.
Power is supplied through hazard switch terminal 5 to
 front combination lamp LH terminal 1
 combination meter terminal 11 and
 rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Power is supplied through hazard switch terminal 6 to
 front combination lamp RH terminal 1
 combination meter terminal 28 and
 rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to front combination lamp LH/RH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the hazard warning
lamps.


REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM OPERATION

Power is supplied at all times to smart entrance control unit terminal 49
 through 9.5A fuse [No. 28, located in the fuse block (J/B)].
Ground is supplied to smart entrance control unit terminals 43 and 64.
Refer to “REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM”, EL-203.
When smart entrance control unit receives LOCK or UNLOCK signal from key fob with all doors closed, power
is supplied through smart entrance control unit terminal 47
 to front combination lamp LH terminal 1
 to combination meter terminal 11
 to rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Power is supplied through smart entrance control unit terminal 48
 to front combination lamp RH terminal 1
 to combination meter terminal 28
 to rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of each front combination lamp through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of rear combination lamp LH through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of rear combination lamp RH through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the smart entrance control unit controls the flashing of the hazard warning
lamps.

Why don't you try being helpful????;)

Thanks for the great info!

I have a question though, If your hazards are not plugged in, will your blinkers work? Nope!!! I am just wanting him to start with the easiest thing first.

jwicker
03-04-2010, 01:11 PM
I just completed the Manual-AC-Compressor-in-Defrost-Mode Mod at lunch.
I plugged the hazard switch connector back up (I'm headed back out to double check).

Problem: Turn Signals stopped working.
Hazards work fine.
headlights work fine.
Turn Signal fuse is fine (7.5A under dash)

Any suggestions?
(And please do not mention blinker fluid)

thanks

jwicker
03-04-2010, 01:30 PM
Just double checked the hazard hook up. It's fine.
Even swapped out the Turn Signal fuse. No luck.

I'm guessing blinker for turn signals.
Anyone know right off where it is located?
Sounds like it's behind the guage cluster... but can't tell.

thanks

beanbag2100
03-04-2010, 01:45 PM
System Description


TURN SIGNAL OPERATION

With the hazard switch in the OFF position and the ignition switch in the ON or START position, power is supplied
through 7.5A fuse [No. 2, located in the fuse block (J/B)]
to hazard switch terminal 2
through the hazard switch terminal 1
to combination flasher unit terminal B
through combination flasher unit terminal L
to turn signal switch terminal 1.
Ground is supplied to combination flasher unit terminal E through body grounds M14 and M68.

LH Turn

With the turn signal switch in the LH position, power is supplied from turn signal switch terminal 3 to
front combination lamp LH terminal 1
combination meter terminal 11 and
rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to front combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the LH turn signal lamps.

RH Turn

With the turn signal switch in the RH position, power is supplied from turn signal switch terminal 2 to
front combination lamp RH terminal 1
combination meter terminal 28 and
rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to the front combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to the rear combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the RH turn signal lamps.

HAZARD LAMP OPERATION

Power is supplied at all times to hazard switch terminal 3 through:
10A fuse [No. 17, located in the fuse block (J/B)].
With the hazard switch in the ON position, power is supplied
through hazard switch terminal 1
to combination flasher unit terminal B
through combination flasher unit terminal L
to hazard switch terminal 4.
Ground is supplied to combination flasher unit terminal E through body grounds M14 and M68.
Power is supplied through hazard switch terminal 5 to
front combination lamp LH terminal 1
combination meter terminal 11 and
rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Power is supplied through hazard switch terminal 6 to
front combination lamp RH terminal 1
combination meter terminal 28 and
rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to front combination lamp LH/RH terminal 2 through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp LH terminal 2 through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to rear combination lamp RH terminal 2 through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the combination flasher unit controls the flashing of the hazard warning
lamps.


REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM OPERATION

Power is supplied at all times to smart entrance control unit terminal 49
through 9.5A fuse [No. 28, located in the fuse block (J/B)].
Ground is supplied to smart entrance control unit terminals 43 and 64.
Refer to “REMOTE KEYLESS ENTRY SYSTEM”, EL-203.
When smart entrance control unit receives LOCK or UNLOCK signal from key fob with all doors closed, power
is supplied through smart entrance control unit terminal 47
to front combination lamp LH terminal 1
to combination meter terminal 11
to rear combination lamp LH terminal 3.
Power is supplied through smart entrance control unit terminal 48
to front combination lamp RH terminal 1
to combination meter terminal 28
to rear combination lamp RH terminal 3.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of each front combination lamp through body grounds E12 and E54.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of rear combination lamp LH through body grounds B6 and B10.
Ground is supplied to terminal 2 of rear combination lamp RH through body grounds B106 and B116.
Ground is supplied to combination meter terminal 36 through body grounds M14 and M68.
With power and ground supplied, the smart entrance control unit controls the flashing of the hazard warning
lamps.

Hope this helps. I'd guess it's your combination flasher unit. Supplies both hazards and turn. Find the flasher and check it for power and ground. With the ignition in the on position, the white wire w/ green stripe going to the flasher should have power. The black wire should be connected to ground. If these conditions are met, than there's nothing wrong with the fuses, or the hazard switch. If it was the turn signal switch, then your hazards should still work, so I'm betting that's not it. It could be a bad connection or faulty hazard switch, but power at the flasher would eliminate that.

I disagree, to a point. Just went through this today with my X, turn signals worked fine with a blown hazard fuse. You can see that there are two separate fuses supplying the flasher. One feeds straight through the hazard switch and supplies the turn signals. If you flip on the hazards, it removes that power source, and connect to the hazard fuse. So the 10A hazard fuse is just for hazards, and the 7.5A turn signal fuse is just for the turn signals. However, you are correct that the turn signals won't work if the hazard switch is disconnected, cause you'll lose that power feedthrough to the flasher.

Wow, thank you so much. Your info was very helpful:anbeten-big:

carlosruben84
04-01-2010, 09:25 PM
ok,, so this thread has not been posted on in while, but I am hoping someone might be able to help. My turn signals and emergency lights have not been working for over a year and it is really now becoming a PAIN in my A**.

- I have checked fuse #2, & #17 and both are perfectly fine, have swapped them with others, just in case with no luck.
- I bought a relay from Ebay matching the same # as the flasher relay(goes underneath the dash by the steering column), because someone had mentioned this could be it, but it still does not work. It was not a new relay, but supposively a tested one that was ok, and made no difference in my truck.

I went to an electritian, he did not even look at it, but said that most likely it was the steering column turn signal switch, that was acting up and that I would need a new one. Didnt even want to look at it, unless I bought a new switch. I can imagine this being a reason why the turn signal does not work but also the emergency lights?

My truck did not come with fog lights, so I bought the factory ones from courtesy parts and got a new steering column switch, that also had the fog light switch (My X was prewired for fog lights so it was very easy to install),,,

I would normally just get my old column switch (before the fog lights), and try swapping it out to see if this really could be it, but I cannot find it any freaking where... I have searched this house upside down with no luck!!!! I really dont want to buy a new steering column switch UNLESS I really DO need it (and not like with the flasher relay).

Does anyone have any more insight into this??????? When it started it was only the blinkers and then also the emergency lights, someontimes they would work and sometimes they wouldnt, now they wont at all.

Crazy thing is my keyless works, (lights flashing), brake lights work, running lights work...

Please any help wooould be greatly appreciated... and sorry for the ranting,,, I really just wanted to give as much detail as possible.

carlosruben84
04-01-2010, 09:34 PM
Oh, also, thought I would mention since everything is on the same steering column switch.... that my headlights and fog lights both work great!!... (knock on wood)

carlosruben84
04-01-2010, 09:37 PM
ok another post sorry,,, everything keeps pointing back to the flasher relay by the steering column,,, but since I was too cheap , i did not buy a new one,,, ,, is there another relay somewhere easy to get to,, so I could try that?