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The Nissan Xterra may not have long to live hints Nissan product boss Larry Dominique. In a recent interview with Ward's, Dominique commented that Xterra segment is, "falling apart."

According to Ward's internal data, the mid-size SUV category in which the Xterra fits totaled just 211,042 vehicles last year, compared to an all-time high of 1.65 million in 2000. Back then Nissan sold 88,578 Xterra models, while so far this year it has managed to move just 12,186. Surprisingly, however, there seems to be a mini-boom in the SUV segment as of late with that number up 42% over a ear ago.

Dominique did comment that execs at Nissan are big fans of the SUV and plan to keep it in the product lineup or as long as possible. But, "With (new U.S. corporate average fuel economy rules) Xterra's going to be a tough vehicle to keep around."

The plan is to exceed the upcoming 34.1 mpg fleet fuel economy standard for 2016 with high-volume Sentra and Altima models, however, Nissan already has to overachieve in those areas to make up for the Titan's it sells.

Dominique did reassure fans of the Frontier and Pathfinder that those models are safe. Nissan currently sits at third in the compact pickup segment with the Frontier and with Ford preparing to axe the Ranger, Frontier sales are likely to spike. The truck has already seen a sales increase that's up 48.5 percent so far this year. (The Toyota Tacoma currently leads that segment).

As for the Pathfinder, it will "live on," although, "How it will live on, wait to see," says Dominique, perhaps hinting that the big SUV will follow Ford's Explorer and be transformed into a car-based crossover.

More: Nissan Xterra Living on Borrowed Time (http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2010/08/nissan-xterra-living-on-borrowed-time.html) on AutoGuide.com

Oh noes!1!!

in my opinion i think the 2nd gens are kinda over priced, which is probaly why the werent able to sell as much. If they do end up bring out a 3rd gen or even a 2.5 gen and lowerd the price a little i bet they will sell faster! once again just my opinion!

Well s***!!!

At least I have my X and it isn't going anywhere without me behind the wheel.

What I don't understand is the government regulations. Like the smart car for instance. That's the "idea" they are pushing everyone to get behind. Yet with their restrictions and requirements, the domestic smart cars only get less than half of the mpg's it is capable of. European models reach upwards of 90+ mpg's. So I could get a smart car that gets 33/41 mpg's or I could get a VW TDI that gets the same mileage... hmm... smart car... TDI... that's a tough one.

I get irritated every time I see a report of another vehicle line being killed off. Especially when jobs are in dire need right now. Slow sales or lack of interest is one thing but when you're reviewing progress of sales based on numbers generated in the height of a recession seems a bit skewed.

I'm going to stop now. I feel my blood pressure rising and I'll end up going into a soapbox rant over this.

take out all the fancy shit, give it better mpg, reduce the price = sellllllll

take out all the fancy shit, give it better mpg, reduce the price = sellllllll

Which is exactly what the xterra was marketed to be. Everything you need and nothing you don't. Somehow automakers have got the mindset that after a vehicle debut, it's time to get all dub edition on them and totally defeat the purpose of the original concept. Every vehicle has succumbed to this. The pathys, 4Runners and whatever chevy and ford makes that they THINK is comparable.

take out all the fancy shit, give it better mpg, reduce the price = sellllllll

my point exactly!

priced too high for unecessary options!

Revert to Gen. 1 basics and keep the X.

I blame the new Nissan car...

http://www.treehugger.com/Nissan-Leaf-EV-1.jpg

http://www.evworld.com/press/nissan_leaf_plugport.jpg

Down with the leaf! :D

give me a xterra leaf edition with 350 hp 500 lbs of torque and 90+mpg

Well s***!!!

I'm going to stop now. I feel my blood pressure rising and I'll end up going into a soapbox rant over this.

That's why I won't even start. :boese2-big: That and I'm still getting used to what will and will not fly on CX as far as content goes.

Every car I like gets discontinued. Happened with camaros for 8 yrs and now xterra. Sux.

Every car I like gets discontinued. Happened with camaros for 8 yrs and now xterra. Sux.

no cars get discontinued because execs and designers have their heads up their asses with what to build. Hence the return of the camaro and challenger.

i cant even read these posts...its making me depressed. this should be a happy website only.

I've got to chime in and support my 2nd gen, I believe it's upholding the everything you need, nothing you don't motto quite well.
I really love the fact that it's so capable off road while at the same time my passengers are commenting on how quiet it is on the highway, how nice it rides, how they don't feel cramped in the cabin or how when we rip off 400 miles between fill ups they don't feel like cripples getting out of the rig.
It's got enough room for all my camping gear without looking like the rig is overstuffed. Sure it's bigger and cost more than the original but for me, it was everything I was looking for in a vehicle and nothing I wasn't.

"rip off 400 miles between fill ups"

*weeping* Sure *sniff*, rub it in *sniff* If I tried that you'd have to drive back about 100 or so miles to pull me to the gas station *sniff*
:usuck:
lol

ONCE again this is all rumors... A new page that only reports what the last said.
Grapevine effect!
IF anything Id kill the Armada to help your total MPG there sales have been done for a long time.. I think the Gov demands by 2016 are a bit high.. I want a SUV that will Avg 31 mpg.. But I also want one that will pull my boat. Your going to see Trucks and SUV geared so high that they wont pull a thing.

ONCE again this is all rumors... A new page that only reports what the last said.
Grapevine effect!
IF anything Id kill the Armada to help your total MPG there sales have been done for a long time.. I think the Gov demands by 2016 are a bit high.. I want a SUV that will Avg 31 mpg.. But I also want one that will pull my boat. Your going to see Trucks and SUV geared so high that they wont pull a thing.

I think they're getting pretty close with small suv's like the GMC terrain. 6 years seems like plenty of time to turn those results in to a full size.

My mom and Dad have a Terrain.. its a 4banger.. Its like driving a car.. and its a uni-body
So I dont think thats even in the same class as Xterra

i agree, and if you have parked next to one in your X its like that thing is a toy and the X is tank

Down with the leaf! :D:laugh-big:

Makes a lot more sense to just axe the Armada if Nissan needs to kill something. I see way more Xterra's on the road then I do Armada's...
It'll be such a shame if they get rid of our beloved X :(

I've been keeping an eye on both of the "X is being expunged threads" and I haven't seen anyone say what I've been thinking; how about bringing the diesel X here, guaranteed much better mileage and a whole new market to buy them. I know I would buy one at the drop of a hat if they introduced it here.

^That's a great idea! Diesel engines make quite a bit more tq also, if I'm not mistaken...

I've been wondering why Honda hasn't brought over the diesel civic, or Toyota the Corolla. I think they also have diesel versions of the Accord and Camery but I honestly forget.

You can see the specs of those at http://www.honda.co.uk and http://www.toyota.co.uk and of course http://www.nissan.co.uk

I've also don't know how long it's been out, but in a lot of my wiring references when I select model under Nissan I see X-Trail. It's on nissan.co.uk's website, and looks about the same size etc as the Xterra... if the rumors are true is maybe that a possible "replacement".. or the New Pathfinder also found on nissan.co.uk?

http://www.nissan.co.uk/#vehicles/4x4/x-trail

It's gotta be emissions. Mercedes and BMW are using Urea injection on them. I'm sure VW has some special thing too..and if you notice..diesel vehicles are VERY expensive in the US when compared to gas. I'll almost cry to see the X go..it looks like it's inevitable. Personally I think the X died when the 1st gen went away but I'll still buy a new second gen now that I've got a family.it won't be so bad.

I'm upset, too. I blame the Leaf, too, in part. *sarcasm* I can't wait until the electric vehicles cause brownouts in my area.*

Where I live, I like to go hiking and do other outdoor activities. It's really mountainous and the roads are poor. You need vehicles like the Xterra just to get around.

I see all of these SUV like car-based vehicles and that tees me off because they use up more gas, yet they aren't capable of doing much. Just an overgrown car monstrosity.

All i can say is I did my part and bought one to get those numbers up lol but seriously if this happens IWill be really sad, I have been so happy with my x and i keep thinking in two years when I ussaly trade in I was thinking Im going to just get another x if I do, I might just keep it forever lol I love it so much.... the other thing is the offroad market is dissapearing... if u want an offroad suv the only things to choose from are the x, wrangler, and fj...... going green is a great idea but its starting to get out of control. If the get rid of the x it will be a huge let down.

Which is exactly what the xterra was marketed to be. Everything you need and nothing you don't. Somehow automakers have got the mindset that after a vehicle debut, it's time to get all dub edition on them and totally defeat the purpose of the original concept. Every vehicle has succumbed to this. The pathys, 4Runners and whatever chevy and ford makes that they THINK is comparable.

Sigh

My thoughts exactly.

Every model that seems to resonate with buyers and get popular seems to get the same evolution...

OK, its popular because it was essentially solid, and affordable, and got the job done....

So, people say...if it only had more room...and the next gen is longer and heavier....

...if only it had power this and that...

...if only it could pull my house...

and so forth.

The Thunderbird takes off as a popular 2-seater, and ends up a 4 door sedan....and then dies.

The mini cooper takes off as a fun run-about with go cart handling...and it now a station wagon.

The RX7 takes off as a 2 seat sports car, and ends up with a back seat, and so forth.

Its like they are given birth too, everyone loves them, but they are allowed to age and grow until they are no longer what made them popular.

Most makers miss the mark when judging the value of their marque.

Jeep started making cars, "because they were not getting a part of that market share...", and no one bought them...and they couldn't figure out why.

They diluted their image as an off road oriented maker, so the idea of getting one for the image was diluted, as the image now included things that were not off road worthy.

Nissan had a loyal following, and was building a niche with the X.

They WILL be stupid, and simply punch the buttons on the calculator that tell them how many units sold...and say, lets kill it, its not profitable any more.

Car companies ALWAYS do that, its sad, but true.

So, if the sales justify keeping the lines going, fine, the rigs live...otherwise, they die....period.

:boese2-big:

It is sad to hear that the Xterra might be discontinued. We had a training session about 3 months ago about all the body on frame trucks and the training concentrated on towing and hauling with these vehicles. The training rep said that Nissan was going to start advertising the Xterras, Pathfinders, Armadas, Frontiers and Titans more. The numbers are reflective of their advertising and what vehicles they concentrate that advertising on. Nissan spent a bunch of money doing these training sessions so I don't know if they are going to be killing the Xterra anytime soon.

I just spoke to the same training rep today when we were training on the freshing up of the Rogue and the Altima's competitors. he said that the trucks will essentially remain the same for the next four years. You never know if they have all the information but they are trained directly at a Nissan plant and speak to the executives.

I say: Why do Nissan keep the Xterra only on US soil? There are so many rugged places in the world where people need this car. This car should export all over the world. Instead, they sell the X-trail, which is a toy car. Ans yes... make it diesel and sell it in the countries where they have bad roads.
In Latin America they sell the Pathfinder, but it is very expensive. Many people need a car to work with, not a luxury car. That's the bad thing in the off road industry. There is no point in making a luxury off road! I meen a Discovery, a Landcruiser, a Patrol. They put a lot of useless commodities on them. It is too expensive to break it in the wild. People need an Xterra! A car full of plastics and easy to clean surfaces, with nothing else but the essentials. When you get stuck in the mud, you do not have to worry about ruining the seats or carpets or mahogany handwork.
My suggestion to Nissan is to make a mix between pathfinder and Xterra: the space of the pathfinder, with the plastic interior of Xterra. A car that you won't get worried in geting dirty and won't be afraid to push to the maximum of it's mecanics, on the worst roads.
If you keep the car on US Soil it will die, because of the market share of off-roaders is declining. The government policies are against it. The public opinion is against 4x4 cars because their consumption. That's all right for me. I wouldn't buy a 4x4 to go to the market in the city. That would be creepy. But for those of us who need it as a basic transport on the bad roads of outbacks, woods, snow, mud, jungle, etc... We can't use the Volt, Prius or even the Jetta.
It would be cool if the government prohibited the big line ships only because they drink tons of petrol daily. But they won't do this because these machines are NEEDED. If that would be the case with Xterras or 4Runners than... they won't disappear. But Nissan MUST give it to the world, export it where it is really needed, not for fun, but for real life situations.

It is sad to hear that the Xterra might be discontinued. We had a training session about 3 months ago about all the body on frame trucks and the training concentrated on towing and hauling with these vehicles. The training rep said that Nissan was going to start advertising the Xterras, Pathfinders, Armadas, Frontiers and Titans more. The numbers are reflective of their advertising and what vehicles they concentrate that advertising on. Nissan spent a bunch of money doing these training sessions so I don't know if they are going to be killing the Xterra anytime soon.

I just spoke to the same training rep today when we were training on the freshing up of the Rogue and the Altima's competitors. he said that the trucks will essentially remain the same for the next four years. You never know if they have all the information but they are trained directly at a Nissan plant and speak to the executives.

Hope this is ntrue as I have only just discovered the X the last 6 months and I have fallen for it. Shame they don't sell them Europe, we get lumbered with the Xtrail with it's poor ground clearance.

They talk about killing them to drum up publicity...same with jeep's talking about going to IFS on the New Wrangler for decades now...but its always a front live axle, etc.

:D

When it comes to axing a vehicle based on fuel mileage the Armada isn't that much different than the X. I have both a 2008 X and a 2006 Infinity QX56. The X is rated at 17-21 MPG and the QX/Armada is rated at 12/18. Granted the QX/Armada has a bigger tank, the mileage really isn't that much of a difference.

To me I would say axe the Pathfinder. functionality and dimensions of the btwn the X and Pathy are not all that different. Yes the Pathy has a third row and is a little longer, but they are pretty much the same vehicle. To me it would make sense keeping the X and Armada, that way Nissan will have their 5 passenger off-road capable SUV and their 7/8 passenger SUV which also has the room for a large family and can tow an estimated 9500lbs.

I don't see the point of keeping the X and Pathy when they are both in the mid size class. Maybe it would be different if the X, Pathy, Armada followed closer to Fords line up of the Escape, Explorer and Expedition, then yes it say axe the larger SUV. But when you have two SUV's of similar size and then a larger one, Id say axe the middle child.

That's just my two cents, and i know other people might things the total opposite

when it comes to publicity checvy does the same thing with the Camaro. Back in the 80's and 90's then again in 2000ish Checvy announced that they were killing the Camaro just to boost sales. then they wait a year or two and bring out a newly designed model

..checvy..

I detect drunk typing! :teeth:

lol..na trying to multi task

The next Pathfinder is going to be a 7/8 seater cross-over. They are not going to axe their most popular SUV name in the Pathfinder. The new Explorer or Arcadia is a sign of what the Pathfinder is already being developed to become. It will also have much better gas mileage as well. The Xterra and the Armada do not have any changes in the works from what I have heard. As I said before though we had training on the Towing and Hauling capabilities of the Armada, Xterra and Pathfinder. Nissan spends a bunch of money sending out these trainers. The trainer said that the SUVs are going to get more support in the coming months and that more advertising would be thrown at them.

Nissan has a flooded SUV line.
1.Xterra
2.Pathfinder
3.Murano
4.Rogue
5.Juke (What ever you label this?)
6.Armada
7.cube
So if the Pathy is going more like the Murano what are they going to do with the Murano? They need some balance in the line.. Now as far as making sense the Xterra does. It basically sits on a Frontier frame. So the build cost is minimal. So as long as we can keep those two together I think we will have a Xterra.
Look at the car side of all this. All they have is a Sentra, Maxima, Altima, and the Versa
And really if it wasnt for keeping the MPG for the over all group I think the sentra would be killed off.

Evidently Nissan is going to start pimping the Xterra's offroad capabilities and there are plans to start producing nismo parts for offroad use. Someone noticed us out there with the super-modded trucks and realized there's a big piece of the jeeper market they've neglected.

We'll see how that pans out.

Nismo parts? where? Usually those are thing that come out when you bring out a new design. 2005 - 2011 what were they waiting on?

Nissan has a flooded SUV line.
1.Xterra
2.Pathfinder
3.Murano
4.Rogue
5.Juke (What ever you label this?)
6.Armada
7.cube
So if the Pathy is going more like the Murano what are they going to do with the Murano? They need some balance in the line.. Now as far as making sense the Xterra does. It basically sits on a Frontier frame. So the build cost is minimal. So as long as we can keep those two together I think we will have a Xterra.
Look at the car side of all this. All they have is a Sentra, Maxima, Altima, and the Versa
And really if it wasn't for keeping the MPG for the over all group I think the sentra would be killed off.

Dave, Have to switch you list around a bit.

(Truck based SUVs)
1.Xterra
2.Pathfinder
3.Armada

(Crossovers)
4.Rogue
5.Juke (SUV for sure)
6.Murano
7.Murano Convertible (Soon to come)


(Cars)
1. Maxima
2. Altima
3. Altima Coupe
4. Sentra
5. Versa Sedan
6. Versa Hatchback
7. cube
8. Altima Hybrid
9. Leaf

(sport cars)
8. 370Z
9. 370Z Roadster
10. GT-R

(Van)
1. Quest

(Pick-ups)
1. Frontier Crew-Cab (SWB and LWB)
2. Frontier King-Cab
3. Titan Crew-Cab (SWB and LWB)
4. Titan King-Cab

Pretty stacked line-up and well balanced as far as the way the market has been moving. Better MPG Cars/Suvs that can move more. The Truck based or Body on Frame vehicles still have their their place. Does Nissan really need 3 SUVs that can go off-road and tackle what Off-Roaders want. I think the Xterra, Armada and we can even say the Frontier and Titans especially with the Crew-Cabs can handle the Off-Roaders needs. That is one of the main reasons that Nissan stopped making 4x2 Xterras. The Pathfinder when it moved the rear to an Independent double-wishbone rear suspension made it more of an On-Road SUV which differentiated it from the Xterra's Solid Rear Axel with Variable-Rate leaf-springs. Nissan even took away the step-rails so that those who don't want them do not have to have them.


The Pathfinder is getting the crossover treatment. It will not compete with the Murano because it is going to be a 7 seater. The Murano competes with Lexus RX-350, Toyota Highlander, Toyota Venza and the Ford Edge.
The Pathfinder competes with the 4Runner, Pilot and Explorer. The Explorer is going to be a 7 passenger crossover like the Arcadia and the other GMAC variants. That is a different niche than the Murano. Murano is a luxury SUV. Not the replacement for the mini-van that many people with children want. The demographic is different.

Murano buyers fit this profile:

•The median age is 51.
•41% are male.
•74% are married (without children or with children over 12 years old).
•Household income is approximately $90,000.
•62% are college-educated.


Pathfinder buyers generally fit this profile:

•Two-thirds are male.
•Almost three-quarters are married and have children in the household under six years old.
•The median age is 40 years old.
•Family income is approximately $85,000.
The Xterra is not going anywhere soon.

And for those who want to know what the Xterra Demographic is Nissan eyes here it is.

Xterra appeals to buyers who also may be considering the following primary competitors:

•Jeep Liberty
•Ford Escape
•Toyota FJ Cruiser

Consumer research indicates that Xterra buyers are passionate about their time outdoors. They see themselves as adventurous, spontaneous, athletic, and confident. You can use the Internet to find out more about the mind-set of Xterra owners. Xterra has developed a passionate following that includes Xterra clubs and numerous Web sites.

Secondary competitors are:

•Toyota 4Runner (2-row version)
•Jeep Wrangler

Who Buys Xterra?

Xterra is targeted for the “real” SUV segment of buyers looking for functionality. Xterra buyers generally fit this profile:

•The majority are under age 35.
•Nearly three-quarters are college-educated.
•Nearly two-thirds are male.
•Nearly half are married, but most don’t have children.
•Household income is generally about $35,000 to $65,000.


To kill the Xterra they would loose this niche in the market that includes a huge group that are young and will buy again when they are older. Most likely looking at either a Pathfinder or Armada as they get married and have children or/and get even older or decide not to have children and buy an upscale luxury SUV like the Murano.

Quote:
“We’re looking forward to a successful year with Pathfinder, Xterra and Frontier,” said John Brancheau, vice president, Marketing, Nissan Division, NNA. “Every customer need is met in the functionality of the Pathfinder, the iconic appeal of the Xterra, and the great value proposition of the Frontier.”

"Often copied, never equaled, the tough, essential Nissan Xterra continues in 2011 as a vehicle designed to inspire and facilitate outdoor enthusiasts’ activities wherever they go. Xterra remains a “class of one,” combining power, utility, value and authenticity."



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Nismo parts? where? Usually those are thing that come out when you bring out a new design. 2005 - 2011 what were they waiting on?

I think the intention is to market offroad parts for multiple model years under the nismo name. Won't know until it happens.

They need to "Clean Diesel" the X.. it would go along with the Govt's emissions standards, give us added HP, and mpg would be better.

They already offer the xterra with a diesel in Brazil. For whatever reason, it is the only country that it is available in. Canada at one point had a petition going to have the diesel models imported but not sure how that turned out. Stupid regulations.

They already offer the xterra with a diesel in Brazil. For whatever reason, it is the only country that it is available in. Canada at one point had a petition going to have the diesel models imported but not sure how that turned out. Stupid regulations.

The Paladin is also available with the same diesel as the Brazilian Xterra in China. I know it's not an X, but it's damn close body wise, and structurally it's the same. Only real difference is the round, Frontier-style fenders.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/09/13/061967.2-lg.jpg

I dunno why the diesel isn't an option in other countries.

Well that's really what I am saying, they need to offer it here in the states, I'm sure it would help Nissan with their EPA stuff. I love Diesel anyways.. If I could replace my X's powerplant with a Diesel one... sure Skippy i would be lookin in to it.

They already offer the xterra with a diesel in Brazil. For whatever reason, it is the only country that it is available in. Canada at one point had a petition going to have the diesel models imported but not sure how that turned out. Stupid regulations.

Its due to Diesel being very easy to refine.. your 3rd world countries.. And yes I know Brazil really isnt a 3rd world country.. but all the surrounding one are.
Its the same reason Jeep doesnt make a Wrangler for the US market in diesel.
Damn US and our clean air act.. I find it funny how Diesel in the US was so cheap for so long.. and now its more than Petrol..

If Nissan would bring out a Diesel Xterra.. You would see quite a few Jeep owners running to buy one..

I was over seas in the desert for a while and Xterra's are pretty popular over there. They have an option for diesels in vehicles over there. I saw a lot of diesel powered Ford Rangers and Jeeps as well.

Makes a lot more sense to just axe the Armada if Nissan needs to kill something. I see way more Xterra's on the road then I do Armada's...
It'll be such a shame if they get rid of our beloved X :(

Profit margins on an Armada are way too fat to ax it.

The Paladin is also available with the same diesel as the Brazilian Xterra in China. I know it's not an X, but it's damn close body wise, and structurally it's the same. Only real difference is the round, Frontier-style fenders.

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2007/09/13/061967.2-lg.jpg

I dunno why the diesel isn't an option in other countries.

The Nissan Paladin is a SUV manufactured by Zhengzhou Nissan Automobile Co. = prev gen X = cheap chinese knockoff

I also don't understand why we can't have diesels. Nissan diesels were used in International Scouts like my '78. I had a Fiat diesel in Tuscany and a Ford C-Max in Denmark. both great cars, performed terrific and had great mileage.

As of January 2011 -

(Inside Line Article)

Nissan Xterra

* 2013 Nissan Xterra: Like the Pathfinder, the Xterra is based on a version of the F-Alpha truck platform that underpins the Frontier and Titan pickups. With major redesigns of those trucks currently underway, the Xterra will most likely undergo minor updates until a full redesign is ready in 2013.


http://www.insideline.com/nissan/future-vehicles.html

:wink-big:

Maybe the end is not so near...


Good find TJ

I think the Paladin (sold as an Xtrail in Mexico, for example) is a unibody design.....aka not good fer 'froadin

they need to take out all the frills and thrills and make it less luxury and more oriented towards what it was originally...

My '10 Xterra is certainly not luxury. That is why I bought it.

I understand what Edrow is getting at, the 2nd gen compared to the 1st gen is a lot more luxo especially the OR and SE models.
I don't want to get into a tastes great, less filling argument about generations but I don't think a "pure" 4x4 vehicle would sell enough models for any manufacturer to bother bringing to market.
The last time I went off roading it was 190 miles each way just to get to the trailhead and we spent about 1.5hrs going 12 miles off road.
What I'm getting at is that the X, to me, still holds onto its ideal of everything you need, nothing you don't.
We'll be lucky, if gas does hit $5/gal, if Nissan even bothers marketing the current X's much less making them better. I'm afraid they will go the way of the Escape in order to hybridize the brand.

Even the 2010 Pathfinders overseas have a sweet option:
Now available with a Nissan 3.0-litre V6 Turbodiesel (V9X Engine) producing 240 hp (175 kW),406 ft·lbf (500 Nm) @ 2,500 rpm while an upgrade YD25DDTi Turbodiesel power rises to 140 kW (190 PS) – up 14 kW (19 PS) – while torque increases by a healthy 47 Nm to 450 Nm.

I understand what Edrow is getting at, the 2nd gen compared to the 1st gen is a lot more luxo especially the OR and SE models.
I don't want to get into a tastes great, less filling argument about generations but I don't think a "pure" 4x4 vehicle would sell enough models for any manufacturer to bother bringing to market.
The last time I went off roading it was 190 miles each way just to get to the trailhead and we spent about 1.5hrs going 12 miles off road.
What I'm getting at is that the X, to me, still holds onto its ideal of everything you need, nothing you don't.
We'll be lucky, if gas does hit $5/gal, if Nissan even bothers marketing the current X's much less making them better. I'm afraid they will go the way of the Escape in order to hybridize the brand.

My S model Xterra is not anymore luxurious than my Unlimited Rubicon was, and Wranglers are known for being utilitarian. They drive about the same, the only real difference is that the Xterra's 4.0l V6 has an adequate power to weight ratio. Actually, my Rubicon had more "luxury", it had navigation, a better stereo, temp/compass, etc.

Actually, my Rubicon had more "luxury", it had navigation, a better stereo, temp/compass, etc.

I swear Jeep is turning the Rubi into the latest soccer mom mall assault vehicle. I looked hard at getting a Rubicon over the X. I wanted the soft top, half doors, and A/C. Turns out you can't even get air conditioning with a soft top, and in order to get A/C with the hard top you have to get some customer convenience group which adds even more electric doo dads which aren't really useful for anything but jacking up the sticker price, and you can't have both the group and the half doors. So much for the minimalist offroad image.

The Pro4X isn't much better. I didn't want, or need carpet, electric windows / door locks, fancy stereo, etc...but you have no choice if you want a locking rear differential. I would be tickled to death if they just offered "cafeteria" style vehicle ordering so I could really get everything I need, and nothing more.

As for diesels in the US:
1. New diesel engines need low sulfur fuel which America was late in adopting. Euro / Asian manufacturers didn't export them because they couldn't be used here. When ULSD became available here, they started showing up. More will be coming.

2. The free market is another reason why you don't see a lot of diesels. Diesel costs more per gallon here compared to Europe and Asia (gasoline is something close to 8-10 USD a gallon across the pond), which basically wipes out the efficiency cost savings. That's pretty much why American marks don't manufacture many diesels as well.

The problem all along has been cost. Take the uber dream hyper mileage vehicle, the diesel hybrid. A diesel hybrid would double the incremental cost of the vehicle. You could get 90 mpg, but you'd have to own it for so long just to recoup the purchase cost.

Diesels have been a niche market largely because of price tags beyond the reach of a real mainstream market. As the price of gasoline goes up, you will see more diesels, just like you do in the rest of the world.

I swear Jeep is turning the Rubi into the latest soccer mom mall assault vehicle. I looked hard at getting a Rubicon over the X. I wanted the soft top, half doors, and A/C. Turns out you can't even get air conditioning with a soft top, and in order to get A/C with the hard top you have to get some customer convenience group which adds even more electric doo dads which aren't really useful for anything but jacking up the sticker price, and you can't have both the group and the half doors. So much for the minimalist offroad image.

The Pro4X isn't much better. I didn't want, or need carpet, electric windows / door locks, fancy stereo, etc...but you have no choice if you want a locking rear differential. I would be tickled to death if they just offered "cafeteria" style vehicle ordering so I could really get everything I need, and nothing more.

Two door or four door? A/C is standard on all four doors and you can certainly get A/C with a soft top. Actually, I sold quite a few two doors that only had the option of A/C. All Rubicons have A/C, but you can get a two door Rubicon with power accessories. Sold a lot of those too.. I sold Jeeps for two years and I could tell you more than you ever wanted to know about the JK.

The US diesel dream is a dream due to all the environmental issues in the US. It has nothing to do with cost... It takes no more money to make a diesel engine VS a Gasoline engine.. Jeep makes there export diesel Jeep in the same factory as the US gasoline models.

The environmentalist better lighten up on all the restrictions here in America.
We have not built a refinery on US soil in 30 years... And Im not one for drilling every where we can.. But we better start drilling our own oils again..

Two door or four door? A/C is standard on all four doors and you can certainly get A/C with a soft top. Actually, I sold quite a few two doors that only had the option of A/C. All Rubicons have A/C, but you can get a two door Rubicon with power accessories. Sold a lot of those too.. I sold Jeeps for two years and I could tell you more than you ever wanted to know about the JK.

After reading my post again I realized I wasn't very clear. You can't get a Rubi with both a soft top, A/C, and half doors. Choosing the A/C option requires the addition of a power convenience group which eliminates the half doors. It (the power convenience group) has absolutely nothing in it that an air conditioner requires. I hate when manufacturers do this. I understand that certain options require certain things, but why can't they just let me order the options I want without tacking on a bunch of other things I don't?


It takes no more money to make a diesel engine VS a Gasoline engine.

I wouldn't know either way, but they certainly cost more to purchase and that's all that really matters to a budget conscious buyer. The consumer doesn't care whether or not it costs more to build the engine, they just see a higher purchase and operating cost. The average deft US consumer who trades their vehicle in every two years won't bother keeping the vehicle long enough to recoup the cost. Manufacturers build what consumers want, and in the past, they just haven't been too saavy on diesels. If Nissan offered a diesel in the X I would trade in my '11 for one.....or at least wait for a wrecked one so I could do an engine swap. :) The good thing is the "diesel dream" isn't really a dream. We will start seeing more diesels in the US in the next few years.

Edit: and in case anyone doesn't know this already...you can get a diesel Jeep here in the US. You just have to order it through AEV and spend around 50K for it :D

If I was going to spend $50k for an AEV Jeep, it would have the 5.7l VVT engine. Btw, I'd LOVE to have an AEV Jeep.

After reading my post again I realized I wasn't very clear. You can't get a Rubi with both a soft top, A/C, and half doors. Choosing the A/C option requires the addition of a power convenience group which eliminates the half doors.

That makes a lot more sense... :)

Nissan needs to just offer more stripped down models of their suv's including the xterra and pathfinder because I just bought a low mileage used xterra cuz all the new ones on the lot were optioned out to the point where their sticker price where all above 28500...I think alot of the sales being lost end up going to the Ford Escapes and other suv gurus because they offer more stripped down models at the dealers. Make the ore expensive options on an order only basis cuz either way the dealer tries to charge a destination fee so why not make the cars on the lot more affordable and if someone wants the high end options that most offroaders do not want they just wait a little for it.

The Ford Escape is not an SUV. It has nothing in common with an Xterra other than its basic shape; and anyone who would shop an Xterra and end up buying something like an Escape didn't know what they were looking for in the first place.

Xterras are truck based, fully boxed ladder frames with a solid rear axle that is the driven axle when not in 4wd via a low range transfer case.

Escapes are car-based unit body vehicles, with independent suspension front and rear, and only available with front wheel drive or all-wheel drive, and no low range gear box at all.

They're not even in the same class.


However, I do agree with you that the current Xterra is now priced out of reach of the people who they have always been marketed to. I bought my 08 new for $22,500. There's simply no way I would have bought the same vehicle for $28000.

I just picked up an 11 Pro-4X with 23 miles for $25.5k OTD, and no sales tax. I think there are deals out there - just takes some time to find the right one.

Invoice MSRP
BASE $28,781 $30,720
retractable cargo $79 $100
floor mats pro-4x $91 $120
Freight Charge $810 $810
Total $29,761 $31,750

-$2,000 Rebate $27,061 is going to be the price on a Pro4X. At net. That means the dealership is not loosing or making a dime. Artrogrian19 scan your buyers order in and I bet you paid more. It sounds more like you got an S 4x4.
Invoice MSRP
BASE $26,446 $27,910

floor mats $84 $115

Freight Charge $810 $810
Total $27,340 $28,835

$27,340 -$700 in Hold back -$2,000: Price you should pay $24,640. Do not let them add fees to this either. This is a net deal on an Xterra right now. Not too far from J Everetts price. When I hear real low prices for a vehicle from some one. I always ask to see their bill of sale. Did they buy a Warranty, Vin Etch or anything else. This jacks the price up and makes up for the imanginary price people get. Watch out for that.
The dealership that Arthrogrian19 purchased from had these disclaimers. I am sure they add dealer prep and destination as well. They also list the Xterra S 4x4 at $32,415 then discounted to $23,562 which is do-able number by adding the extra fees.

Price after rebate and dealer discount when financing with NMAC at standard rates on approved credit. *See dealer for details

Documentary service fee in an amount up to $150 may be added to the advertised price.
Good luck

Well this sucks nut I'm glad I got my X I'm in love with it!

Invoice MSRP
BASE $28,781 $30,720
retractable cargo $79 $100
floor mats pro-4x $91 $120
Freight Charge $810 $810
Total $29,761 $31,750

-$2,000 Rebate $27,061 is going to be the price on a Pro4X. At net. That means the dealership is not loosing or making a dime. Artrogrian19 scan your buyers order in and I bet you paid more. It sounds more like you got an S 4x4.
Invoice MSRP
BASE $26,446 $27,910

floor mat
s $84 $115

Freight Charge $810 $810
Total $27,340 $28,835

$27,340 -$700 in Hold back -$2,000: Price you should pay $24,640. Do not let them add fees to this either. This is a net deal on an Xterra right now. Not too far from J Everetts price. When I hear real low prices for a vehicle from some one. I always ask to see their bill of sale. Did they buy a Warranty, Vin Etch or anything else. This jacks the price up and makes up for the imanginary price people get. Watch out for that.
The dealership that Arthrogrian19 purchased from had these disclaimers. I am sure they add dealer prep and destination as well. They also list the Xterra S 4x4 at $32,415 then discounted to $23,562 which is do-able number by adding the extra fees.

Price after rebate and dealer discount when financing with NMAC at standard rates on approved credit. *See dealer for details

Documentary service fee in an amount up to $150 may be added to the advertised price.
Good luck

The out the door price was $25,451. I most definitely got the Pro4X. :-) heres the breakdown.

24,999 Dealers "web special price"
302 DMV Fee
150 Dealers fee
25,451 Total

I didnt get any options, add ons or an extended warranty. Id be glad to scan my PO in the morning if you're interested.

I am looking to buy an Xterra in about a year... doesn't have to be new... but it will be my primary vehicle so it must be presentable to clients (I am in technology sales)... reading these posts make me nervous... but I love the Xterra and I want a 4WD... what would you guys recommend I do?

I am looking to buy an Xterra in about a year... doesn't have to be new... but it will be my primary vehicle so it must be presentable to clients (I am in technology sales)... reading these posts make me nervous... but I love the Xterra and I want a 4WD... what would you guys recommend I do?

I hope this isn't all you've read man. This site overall should give you hope that the Xterra isn't going anywhere. Shoot just check out all of the stuff about the National Xterra Meet that was just put on a couple weeks ago. The Xterra isn't going anywhere, buy one.

The out the door price was $25,451. I most definitely got the Pro4X. :-) heres the breakdown.

24,999 Dealers "web special price"
302 DMV Fee
150 Dealers fee
25,451 Total

I didnt get any options, add ons or an extended warranty. Id be glad to scan my PO in the morning if you're interested.

Sorry didn't back to you earlier. I would like to see that buyers order. If you did you get that price you got the deal of a life time on a brand new Xterra Pro-4X. The dealership would have lost so much money that I don't know how they would be able to stay in buisness if they kept doing that. I don't know of any dealerships that would loose that much. Good for you stupid of them.

Sorry didn't back to you earlier. I would like to see that buyers order. If you did you get that price you got the deal of a life time on a brand new Xterra Pro-4X. The dealership would have lost so much money that I don't know how they would be able to stay in buisness if they kept doing that. I don't know of any dealerships that would loose that much. Good for you stupid of them.

Sometimes "number"for dealers is very important that they will sell for less or no profit %99 percent there is not lost just " less or no profit". The example is my X, I bought it in 2004 just I tell you right now in 2011 if I sell my car I will loose just $ 500~ 1000 max. At the time I asked my dealer the reason for low price on my X because I knew how was the market at the time. Actually I worried maybe something is wrong about this car. He told me you know we are not on the corner dealer ( they are one the bigest one in Texas; "Bankston" I don't know in other states) and mentioned we can not sell car with hidden problem and there is nothing wrong with this car( he was right) and when I asked why so cheap. he told me sometimes it is very important we empty our lots for zillion reasons...

Also about discontinuing a model:
The big corprates just think about "profit" thats it nothing else, when you are hearing some news about big corprates that doesn't make sense just think the important factor: " money" who could believe Ford would discontinue legendary model "Lincoln towncar"? When you look at to all these decisions which doesn't make sense in first place, they will make sense from " money wise" view. Xterra is a masterpiece in its class and there is not any Truck(SUV) to bit her but nothing supprise me in the global economy eara. :).

Yep, back to the unique Gen 1-1.5 body style. (The newer mid size SUVs all look similar). Better mileage and KISS...

The no frills, best bang for your buck is what drew my attention towards my '07 Xterra S with a few options (folding front seat, first aid, etc.) when I was looking for a new truck. Not to mention the quality, power/economy, frame strength, safety, and look of the 2nd gen I purchased.

They have been adding more and more "extras" to the model line up and more "a la carte" options that have been growing in price as well. I noticed the front Tow Hook is now an option on any non 4x4?! They all come with it when it's shipped across the ocean/country. You have to chain it down on the trucks/ships. You can look under the front of a base model Honda Civic and find a tow hook mounted to the frame (sometimes molded) for the same reason.

I fail to see how the market (especially in this economy) is driving the introduction of the Murano Crosscabriolet (http://www.nissanusa.com/buildyournissan/zipcode/index?tool=model.build&globalModelLineName=murano-crosscab&action=variant&controller=deepLink&modelLineCode=MCC) for close to $50k!

At a time when people are struggling to pay their mortgage and need a reliable no non-sense vehicle, I can't see how killing off the Xterra makes more sense than the introduction of this Murano Monstrosity.

Maybe one of the Nissan Execs might catch this and could please explain it to me. They may need to remove their head from another area where the sun doesn't shine first though. Get rid of this ridiculous Murano Crosscab and refocus the direction of the Xterra back towards its roots and you can't lose Nissan.


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nissan needs to start thinkin about a 3rd gen X right now! u know.. to make the manditory MPG thingy. plus i think they got alittle lazy on the body design cuz it looks like the Armada. IM NOT HATE'N ON THE 2ND GEN! just that with the first gen it was so much simlper, wich made it cheaper; people like cheaper stuff. in the 2nd gen, they added a lot of bells and wistles. now today i applied for a job at a nissan dealership for a college job and thats really what me and a sales person talked about.... he happens to own a 2nd gen so this is 1st person info.

nissan needs to start thinkin about a 3rd gen X right now! u know.. to make the manditory MPG thingy. plus i think they got alittle lazy on the body design cuz it looks like the Armada. IM NOT HATE'N ON THE 2ND GEN! just that with the first gen it was so much simlper, wich made it cheaper; people like cheaper stuff. in the 2nd gen, they added a lot of bells and wistles. now today i applied for a job at a nissan dealership for a college job and thats really what me and a sales person talked about.... he happens to own a 2nd gen so this is 1st person info.

First off. Welcome to the club.
Second, I own a second gen and I would definitely say it's not loaded with bells and whistles. There are some rumors about a third gen but no details have been released.
Finally, some people like bells and whistles and you'd better remember that if you get into sales in any way that you're going to love those bells and whistles when they drive up your commission.

Shit!! Maybe they'll ressurect the 4 Cyl Xterra. LOL

I don't know if it was ever mentioned. I haven't had the opportunity to attend the NXM when they go to the Nissan plant in Tennessee. Everyone here has a passion for the Xterra, old and new. Why not express this passion to those at the Nissan plant?

Explain that the X has a loyal following. But when you add all these "cadillac" luxuries, and jack up the price tag, they lose those potential buyers.

They should just K.I.S.S it.... KEEP IT SIMPLE STUPID. Keep FirstGen features with an updated look. The X was designed for the outdoors, off-road, rugged individual.

If I'm taking my X off-road, camping, fishing, getting down and dirty, I don't want heated leather seats. Give me the water resistant, neoprene (wetsuit) seats that the X originally had. Leather will just get ruined.

I would prefer a "weather-tech" floor liner versus carpeting. But, that is usually an aftermarket feature.

I'll keep my power windows, A/C, and other basic features. I'm not sure what's in the 2ndGen (2009-2011) that makes it a $25-$30k vehicle. But Nissan needs to keep the X and make it buyer friendly again.

Otherwise we will just new owners of used Xterra's year after year. Like myself. I wasn't sure if I liked the Xterra when they first came on scene. But the more I had seen them, the more I grew to like them. As of June 2011, I know own a FirstGen '02. I love it!!! I have some future mods in mind. But family expenses come first. But it still looks bad ass sitting stock. LOL

give me a xterra diesel edition

@PirateX,

I'm surprised your X badge doesn't say "Jolly Roger Crew" or "Black Pearl Crew" with the skull and cross wrenches, rather than the Stealth Bomber Squadron.

I'm just sayin' :huepf-big:

Nissan got the idea with the nXm :D trust me... And they had people taking pictures of the Xterras like crazy.. Your going to see a Gen 3 Xterra.. I look for it to pop in Jan at the Detroit Auto Show... And Go on sale late Summer..

Nissan got the idea with the nXm :D trust me... And they had people taking pictures of the Xterras like crazy.. Your going to see a Gen 3 Xterra.. I look for it to pop in Jan at the Detroit Auto Show... And Go on sale late Summer..

That's awesome!! Not that I'm in the market for a 3rdGenX, it's nice to see it evolve. That it just doesn't get brushed to the wayside.

I'm sure there aren't other forums such as this that are geared to other Nissan vehicles. Maybe a couple, but I doubt the following is as vast as the Xterra.

I'll be you don't see a caravan of Murano's pulling into the plants parkinglot. LOL

@brush works thats a great idea. im starting a thread for it

Speaking strickly as an older driver, I've seen vehicles "evolve" then become extinct simply because of the bottom line. I agree w/ some that if Nissan would return to the basics w/ the "X" they would see a dramatic increase in sales. Remember, size killed the Bronco in 1978. (sorry forgot many of you weren't born yet) :)

I would love to see, if it were possible Auto makers actually make an attempt to contact owners of older modeled vehicles and question them on why they still have them instead of buying newer models (with cost not being an issue). I for one would enjoy being part of a "getting back to basics" forum.

As for me... nothing against the other Gens (because we are all 1 family) but, I'd buy a used Gen1 anytime. That goes for pre '78 Bronco as well.

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Amen about the size of the X. I've got a 1st gen, but I really don't like that the 2Gs are huge compared to the 1Gs. I feel like if I tried to take that thing out on the same trails I took a few years ago at URE, I'd come out with 10x more scratches and bumpes. I love the rear steps on the bumper of the newer ones, which would be a nice addition on the 1Gs, but I also don't want to see the X become a crossover anytime soon. Just smaller than the 2Gs.

Wow thats a bunch of bullshit trying to kill off the Xterra. I mean seriously we are buying the Xterra for its off road capabilities and for some of us the towing abilities. People who buy the smart car for example really are only buying it first for the mpgs and second maybe the looks. Now when they start making a lifted prius thathas 4wd and can go through creeks and mountains of snow, then ill be buying one. So for now my Xterra will still be running over those gas saving hybrid bastards and towing their asses back to the place they came from :p thats my 2 cents lol