how come no one makes one for the xterra, id like to lift it more and keep my ifs for daily driving.

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what is a bracket lift lol

its like an extra bolt on frame that loweres where the control arms mount to the truck, they usually bolt to where the control arms currently bolt up to, then there are barces of course bc the bracket alone isnt strong enough for wheelin. look a them lifted chevys with IFS, in fact, in the first general sams thread in "trail talk" here there is a white chevy with a yellow bracket, go look at it and you'll know what im talkin about

i remember us having a discussion at your house about this same topic...... the only diffrence is that the chevy's have the coilover's.... now i have seen a setup with either a ford or a chevy i cant remember but they have a t-bar drop also to match the lca bracket.....

OR, A NEW UPER CONROL ARM, that accepts the tbar, the tbar on my yota is on the uca rather than the lca, i think thet would be the way to go, that way theres no tbar adjust hangin below the truck, or convert to coilovers(which i would prefer anyway)

yeah true... but to convert over to coilover's is quite expensive..... if you are going that rout then just do a SAS and for us 2x4's go ahead and add the trany and t-case and calll it a day......

How much lift do you want???

Since your 2WD, there is no real harm in overcranking, and using ball joint spacers...

I did see a picture a year or so ago of a 2wd frontier that had LOTS of lift, and had some sort of torsion bar drop brackets on it.. I would assume this was custom.

For the most part, all the lifts made for these rigs are the same for 2wd and 4wd models... And with a 4wd model, you have to worry about CV angles... which would explain why they haven't made such a lift... There is only a limited amount of market for aftermarket nissan stuff, and even more limited when your making parts strictly for a 2wd...

Have somebody make you some custom ball joint spacers, and overcrank... you will be set...

with the ball joint spacers that i ave which are .5" already throws off my alignment so if i went with the 1" i might not be able to align it.... i asked if i could get the 1" when i bought the lift from ac and they told me they wouldnt sell them to me with the lift for that same reason..... the only ones hat i could order were the .5...... now with the low pro bump stops and the 1" spacers do you think it would be alright?????? i would hate to order them and mess everything up.... thanks for the input josh

couldnt get the camber right with 1" bj spacers
no sas, my x is now strictly DD, no use in spending the $ for new tranny, tcase, front diff etc. another 3"-6" would be fine for me.
of course that creates the problem of the segmented driveshaft, id have to have the solid driveshaft also.
but i get what you are saying about the 4x4, they prob arent gonna make shit for the 2wd that they cant make for the 4wd, but what about a huge diff drop, or is there somethign limiting that too?

json... I don't know a whole lot about the ball joint spacers, mainly because with the 4x4 off roading, it give you another potential break point with an already overstressed IFS system...

I'll have to put some thought into why the larger BJ spacers wouldn't work... I mean they are basically body lifts for the all joints... With a 2WD, the only real concern is having the upper and lower control arms be in a correct angle to make your camber somewhat correct.. When you overcrank torsion bars with stock UCA's, your tires tilt in up top... And the replacement UCA's correct this by being slightly longer, and at a differant angle... So while i'm sitting here thinking bout it... The only issue i could see is the lower control arms not being long enough to support having that much lift... But then again, that still doesn't make much since to me, because i know guys running close to 5" (4.5") of lift with normal 3" lift UCA's and lower bump stops... So if anything, i would think the ball joint spacers would help by not having to crank as much...

I'll put some more thought into exactly what that would change on the truck, and get back to you on that one...

and Ricer....

I don't think there is an issue with the abilty to make something.. The problem is the market.. Lifting 3" is not hard because our springs (torsion bars) are adjustable, and new UCA's are easy to replace with longer ones to correct the alignment change... But anything 5" or more... and your looking at a whole lot of changes.. For a 2WD, your talking custom upper and lower control arms, plus i would imagine some stearing upgrades too.... Then in order to still use torsion bars, you would need the rear anchors to be custom too, in order to handle that angle that they would be at to be lifted that much.. But then because of the angle of the torsion bars, you limit your customer base to mall crawlers, because who would want to wheel a rig that had its torsion bars hanging below the frame line?? Then for the 4WD guys, you need high angle CV's and diff drops... which a diff drop is possible, but there is really only room for a very minimal diff drop, like the SLR 5/8th inch.. anything more would then again require some custom work... I'm sure that frame member under there would have to be replaced... And because your dropping the diff so low, then you cain't run normal skid plates... that means custom front and engine tranny skids.. This also starts to outweight the gain by the fact that you are lowering the front diff, and while you may gain the extra 2-3" from the already available 3" lift to a 5-6" lift.. your front diff sits in the same place it used to because of teh diff drop to accomidate CV's...

So.. About the only option to make the IFS system work with that much lift, is ditching the torsion bars and going to coil overs, which Total Chaos does make, at a cost of $2000 and higher, not including the coil overs... Now this can be done custom, but the truck does not support them now, so all the mounts have to be completely custom, and just like with the other potential set up, with that much lift, your having to have custom upper and lower control arms... which doing all this would get you well above the $3000 mark... So then you have to consider a SAS can be done for $2000ish if you are capable of doing so yourself... or more if your paying somebody... But hell, if your paying somebody to do the SAS, you would also be paying somebody to do the coil over conversion too.. so same differance...

This coil over swap is great for the desert racing guys who really need the IFS ability... But other than that, you live with two options.. 3" lifts, or SAS'ing..

I myself have been torn between the two for a while, and honestly don't think i'll ever SAS... Idealy, I would LOVE to have my truck sits at about 5-6' of total suspension lift.... But with overcranking i can get close to 4" already... I can run 33's with the 3" SL only, and I honestly think that with some fender trimming and such, I could run a 34"... With a SAS, i could fit a bigger tire, but I'll never run 35's with this engine/tranny/gears... and even without that considered, 35's are not needed for the wheeling i do. So I don't figure i'm missing out on tires size ability.. and hell, for an extra $180, I can get the AC 2" body lift and clear 34's with no issue... So the only one thing i'm loosing is a little clearance, which is debatable, because if i gain a extra 3" of SL with a SAS, i'll still have the front diff sitting a few inches lower, which puts it at about the exact spot it used to be...

So... SAS gives you better articulation, and is a heavy duty set up.. But... CV's are not to exspensive, easy to replace... As long as you treat your rig ok, you won't change them that often.. 2WD's don't even have that issues.. The IFS handles way better for a dialy driver.. Soooo.... for what i want... A rig that is all around capable.. I can drive my truck to and from work, rides great on the road, 32's aren't bad to handle at higher speeds like a 35 or bigger would be... I can go to the hardware store and load the bed, I can through my bike or quad in the back, I can pull decent sized trailers and my camper just fine.. I've got leather and all the other nice stuff inside to make driving to the trails comfortable.. No need to trailer my rig because its street legal... And I can run the trails just fine... I haven't been unable to complete a trail yet that a SAS job could have done... Yes, there are crazy rock obsticles that you would really need a SAS to run, but hell.. there are ways around that stuff too... Yes, rock crawling is fun.. But the thing i enjoy about my rig is going ANYWHERE... And i can cross rock gardens just fine...


So i pick to stay IFS with my small SL, and probably won't do the body lift unless i decide its needed to run 34's... because it really won't gain me anything...