Look, I KNOW that many people come on here and ask the same thing again and again and again. It is to be expected. A lot of them are noobs and do not know some cardinal rules of forums. I myself was one of them. Trust me, it annoys me to no end.

However, I think that the responses have reached the point where it is kind of a put off to the new member( to put it lightly). I understand that people just get frustrated with the same question.

I will be the first to say that I am not guilt free when it comes to this.

With that said, there are only 2 responses that we may answer when someone asks a question that has already been addressed numerous times.

This IS how we are going to deal with this in the future. No ifs ands or buts about it. It is not an option, it is a demand.
__________________________________________________ _____________

A-This topic has been covered numerous times, please use the search function.

B-This topic has been covered numerous times, please use the search function in the future. Here are the search results that I came up with:

:Link to search results.
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Here are some of the topics that have been covered extremely extensively:

Throttle body spacers
intake opinions
dual exhaust
CB radio installation
NA to SC on the VG33
tire size on stock Xterra
" " " lifted "
tail lights and dash lights will not work
brush guards opinions
PML
BL
3" SL brand opinions
step rails
where to check your SES light for free.
wheel size/backspacing/aftermarket support for these wheel sizes.
wiring lights/routing roof light wire.

Products from:
Shrockworks
Calmini
SLR
AC
PRG

If anyone else has others please let me know. I am just tired right now and cannot think of any more.

If every one can please do me a favor and REPLY TO THIS THREAD that would be great. A simple OK, or will do from now on will suffice.

And lastly, if I have been short or rude with my responses to anyone here, I am very sorry and I hope that I have not meant to offend you or anyone else. Cheers!

FYI- if people do not respond that they have read and understand this, then I am going to bump it to the top daily, and other moderators will too. I want as many responses as views.

x2 on james first post

i was pretty disappointed with some of the threads i saw when i got back from wheeling all weekend, that isnt what cx is about, and i sure as hell didnt like the whole mob mentality bashing going on

from now on any blatant disrespect i come across in any posts is going to disappear

word

Ok.



PS: Why not set up a beginner section with the forum? I've seen where other forums limits the new member to only view that designated section until a certain time/ number of posts has been reached. It usually consists of the same questions, there for no new threads are added to the main part of the forum causing this much trouble. Has worked very well in the 240sxforums.

thanks for the post and WILL DO!

Sounds good.

Ok.



PS: Why not set up a beginner section with the forum? I've seen where other forums limits the new member to only view that designated section until a certain time/ number of posts has been reached. It usually consists of the same questions, there for no new threads are added to the main part of the forum causing this much trouble. Has worked very well in the 240sxforums.


i for one plan on having a section, however it will take a lil time to get it done right, but im not goign to limit new members to certain sections, its just as easy for someone to post a link to a thread in the section when its made

Sounds good. This way everyone can be happy. I know when I was a noob I was bad at not searching LOL

Ok.



PS: Why not set up a beginner section with the forum? I've seen where other forums limits the new member to only view that designated section until a certain time/ number of posts has been reached. It usually consists of the same questions, there for no new threads are added to the main part of the forum causing this much trouble. Has worked very well in the 240sxforums.


To answer your first question, there is a CX site tour that Drake pieced together. It says how to post pics thanks to Json3409 and numerous other things.

I am not sure that limiting the new members is a good idea because although there is hardly any aftermarket support for the X, there are actually plenty of forums with a vast array of knowledge on the Xterra. I think it would be a deterrent. I came to this site knowledgeable and would not want to have to go through a tutorial. I see many other members coming from many other sites, all of which have a vast information base. These knowledgeable members are the kind that we want here to help out others. Personally, I would not want that for myself, and I would not want others to have to do it.

I am not the last say in this though, others can feel free to chime in on it, and it may be considered seriously in the future. Thanks for your input:)

http://welikeitfresh.com/files/2008/12/bunny-thread-relevant-to-my-interests.jpg

Ok.

James,

Wiring help for Roof/Driving/Fog (Hella, KC, etc.) lights gets asked pretty frequently I've found. I've only been around for a few months, so I don't know if what I've seen is entirely accurate, but it's a thought.

Will do.

Look, I KNOW that many people come on here and ask the same thing again and again and again. It is to be expected. A lot of them are noobs and do not know some cardinal rules of forums. I myself was one of them. Trust me, it annoys me to no end.

However, I think that the responses have reached the point where it is kind of a put off to the new member( to put it lightly). I understand that people just get frustrated with the same question.

I will be the first to say that I am not guilt free when it comes to this.

With that said, there are only 2 responses that we may answer when someone asks a question that has already been addressed numerous times.

This IS how we are going to deal with this in the future. No ifs ands or buts about it. It is not an option, it is a demand.
__________________________________________________ _____________

A-This topic has been covered numerous times, please use the search function.

B-This topic has been covered numerous times, please use the search function in the future. Here are the search results that I came up with:

:Link to search results.
__________________________________________________ _____________


Um.... yea, this topic is covered in other thread's man. Try searching before posting next time!

;)

I agree with this post but what's the point of replying to a thread saying "Use the search button". Give the noobs a break and post a link or don't post anything at all.

Will do! I too have noticed that some responses have been less than civil. We don't want to be seen as being like XOC was. I have seen a lot of good ideas so far. Maybe we need to make more use of the "stickies" so that the most helpful posts stay at the top of their respective forums?

Is there anyway to have a download section where we could store DIYs from Forum posts that are cleaned up so that they have the info and pics without extra unneeded comments?

Yea, honestly I'm with hesus33. Who care's if people re-post or play a little bit with noobs. Relax. These are the interwebs here, not an operating room. We aren't curing cancer, we're playing with trucks...

:nick-big:

I agree with this post but what's the point of replying to a thread saying "Use the search button". Give the noobs a break and post a link or don't post anything at all.

Or how about a HOW TO-use the search function link. If we do the work for them all the time, they will not want to do it themselves.

How about a sense of Humor.... :pfeilimkopf-big:

Or how about a HOW TO-use the search function link. If we do the work for them all the time, they will not want to do it themselves.

That's a very good point.

Yea, good post James. I'm on board 100%. Thanks!

I myself usually help them out and at least give a link. I don't mind. Not everyone has to do this but I do.

Sounds Good!

Good call, James. Agree completely!

thanks for addressing. I have to say I've been dissapointed in other forums because of the lack of response. This forum has by far been the best I've seen with the expertise and people willing to share.

x2 on the add a link...I think if we reply to a common repeat question, it will be helpful if we include a link to a thread that we've personally found to be very helpful. This will give them something to go on and also hit home the point of the search. Sometimes you get sooo much in a search that it's like drinking from a firehose - and a suggested link can help tehm get started.

consider it done.

i agree totally - being a noob myself

i like reading through the forums, you learn alot by just looking through posts. hell i didnt know what shrock was until i read 50 posts on it

excellent forum, great idea

Will do.

Sounds good.

:)

i agree with your post james 100%..... also we are here cause we love our X's, we are not just a 4x4 site... so if someone comes here talking about there lowered X's ther eis no need to bash them just cause they are different..... when you lower a car/truck/suv you put in the same amount of work if not more to get it the way you like/want it to look and you take pride in your work weather it be lifting it to the max or slamming it to the floor!!!!!!

i dont mean to get off the subject but i think this needs to be addressed as well..... i will be also making a thread on this subject alone and will make it a sticky....

as to the noob section we will be working on some new ideas as well as old ones that we have been throwing around for awhile and we will do whats best for the noobs and everyone else...

thanks for everyone's input thus far keep it up....

i am going to start replying like Brent. if anyone knows who I am talking about than they have been on the forums for a long time. I know Kevin does:)

Yea, good post James. I'm on board 100%. Thanks!

I myself usually help them out and at least give a link. I don't mind. Not everyone has to do this but I do.

I'm here to hang out and help, and 99% of the time, I'll take the time to post a link and give them a direction to go with (it really doesn't take that much time out of my day). I know how it is to look around and not find something and have to ask for help, so I understand where some of them are coming from. On some other forums I'm on, they actually have a "Before you ask, Please go here first" section right at the top and it seems to cut way down on the amount of unnecessary noob questions. They are here to learn just like all of us were at one time, so let's make it fun for them too. I also agree messing with the noobs a little here and there is ok, as long as it's kept respectful.

Right now, I'm way more pissed at the hating going on! (Mods see my post on the bagged orange X)

i am going to start replying like Brent. if anyone knows who I am talking about than they have been on the forums for a long time. I know Kevin does:)

http://banmillers.smugmug.com/photos/626080398_eG6QN-S.jpg

i am going to start replying like Brent. if anyone knows who I am talking about than they have been on the forums for a long time. I know Kevin does:)

hes really not that much of an asshole in real life

he's still going strong on XF, usually gets a few good jabs once a week

ahh havent been on xf for a while

o.k., and I agree with the people that say providing links. I have a couple decent write ups, like my aftermarket hitch/wiring harness and volant install, that I will link to if someone has a related question.

MAYBE it will build in bad behavior but it's better than a cold "use the search" response to a new member. Now if its a veteran member being lazy then I say be as cold as you want, but with new members I think you gotta make it a little warmer than just 'use the search'. This site does a good job already, if its a new person creating a thread there is usually some advice offered and then everyone welcomes them or links them. Maybe that missing piece is to tell them "make the search your friend".

Has anyone thought about making like a thread map or index? Might be silly, but its a thought, have sections with popular or most helpful links, etc. (or just use the search.. lol)

I'd like to thank everyone on this site for doing a great job already. There is always some bad but I think this forum has the least bad out of all of the ones I am on. The people here is what keeps me coming back, even though I have a gen 2 and other forums have a much larger information base for me.

I also have another thought. Have you ever considered taking away the thread blocking for non members? Like, what is it? the DIY area that you have to be a member to read? It would help this site come up in google more and also prevent people from attempting to search, not finding the info, then coming here, signing-up, and re-asking a question.

10-4 all great ideas!

ayy ayyy captain

couldnt agree more...every new memeber needs to have a warming welcome

Will do!

I might request tho that people posting threads refrain from using abbreviations and acronyms in the title of the thread, since I've found that most things that are three letters do not search properly. Things like UCA, LCA, AAL, PML, do not search because they are too short. So, not only do you not get the appropriate search results when you search for an acronym, you don't get the appropriate results when you search for the full name, because people have posted it as an acronym.

I guess the same thing would be true for within the thread, as well. You have to type the full name at least once in a post for the search to catch it.

I noticed this after some searching of my own, and I am guilty of using a ton of acronyms in my posts, but now I try to at least write it out fully once, so the search can catch it.

Why don't you take the best of the best threads that cover all these frequently covered subjects or split them out of threads on something else and sticky them or put them into guide section seperate from posting. I know vBulletin/vBadvanced has this capability since I have done it before on other forums.

Doing all of this will keep the threads from being archived and make it easy to link and find for new users. If you need help I can help with it.

Why don't you take the best of the best threads that cover all these frequently covered subjects or split them out of threads on something else and sticky them or put them into guide section seperate from posting. I know vBulletin/vBadvanced has this capability since I have done it before on other forums.

Doing all of this will keep the threads from being archived and make it easy to link and find for new users. If you need help I can help with it.

The mods could definitely use the help. CX has been busy and so have the already busy mods.

::

Tldr

lol, Thanx :p

To sum up...Search no good for short stuff

Agreed, no need to be a douche to those who don't know.

will do

Roger Wilco.

Ok.

Another aspect to answering a noobs question is it gives them, and the rest of us, a sense of who is active on the site and who isn't. I mean from the time I've joined a whole lot of names have changed.

The mods could definitely use the help. CX has been busy and so have the already busy mods.

Just let me know via PM what you need help with. I hate being the guy saying, "Let me be a MOD I have done it before!! Look at me, I am awesome", but I have a mod/admin for almost 8 years now. The stuff I suggested will require admin/mod powers depending on the route.

I think the most visually friendly and probably the best for the forum for ease of use by the end user is to develop a guide section, this would not be threads but more like a blog. The intial user would submit his/her write up to a mod to approve the mod will approve it and then in goes into this section. This would keep from duplicates and so on and so forth. If anyone has anything to add it can always be added. Heck wiki where anyone can edit isn't a problem either.

This option will require someone with admin rights to install plugins into the CMS (vBadvanced), something I am sure you aren't ready to hand over to some guy with 127 posts. But I can maybe walk someone through it, with a short write up. I also don't know how much you guys have access to the nuts and bolts of this forum system and it may require changing things on the server.

The other option is to create a forum of just the best of the best threads and write ups and have the mods keep them up to date. You could have the mod copy and paste from the thread and create a brand new thread with all the most up to date information or you could just move the thread. Close it or keep it open, it's up to you. But if you want guides you should close it and add information as it becomes relevant. This will require someone with mod rights and a almost full time position.

And again you probably don't want the low time guy to do it. But if you want to promote someone else that stuff isn't that difficult and i can make a write up if you want. The other option is if you don't want to give mod rights up but you want some continuity is to create a place holder account (something like ClubXterraMod) and share the login information with the other mods or people you want to help create those threads and forum.

Also the admin would need to create a forum and subforum. Make two subforums

How To Guides and FAQ Questions

Submissions to the above forum.

I guess thats a lot of information but it's up to you guys. Just send me a PM if you need any help.

I should be a mod too.

I've totally moderated several boards with 60,000+ members.

And I have chocolate.

I can't compete with chocolate.

ok

ok

Great post, James. I have been on many boards for years. Longer than many have owned Xterras. In the early years, we were trying to figure this stuff out on our own, with few, if any, people with specific experience.

To the newb, it is a real question that they really want an answer to...sometimes, it is just their way of jumping onto the forum.

I, too, am tired of the tire questions, so I normally don't respond, but if I do, I think I try to help. I am in the minority and believe the stock rims are fine, but if people want aftermarket, help them find the answers from people with experience with that setup.

The search function does not always work well for newbies since they really don't know exactly what they are looking for or they get so many posts it is really confusing. Also, the same question asked a thousand times may bring up new answers and new information.

Let's just try to help, or stay out of the thread...at least I will try to.

OK sounds good

just 1 question for ya James.....How big of a tire can fit on my X??

HAHAHHAHAHA Great idea bro...neeed a place where newbies can find out all this info and not keep asking the same question over & over.

You deserve a Jack & Coke!!!!

will do

my bad for being a noob got excited about all the knowledge of the forum and wanted it all without even looking. since then i had the chance to explore the site and the amount of info is rad. will def look to previous threads before just posting bull... thanks again to all who have posted info and am stoked about learning more L

dmshea13, you shouldnt feel bad, I think thats how we all roll.. I know I just signed up for a solar/wind forum and did a little looking around and then just jumped in with something that has probably already been asked. But thats how it goes, I was all excited wanted to get my first post out there. I even said, If im asking something already here, please just link me, and I'll be learning my way around.

This is how I see it. It's not like there is some ground breaking Xterra news everyday. It's all been covered. If everyone relied solely on the search function, then there would be no need for any new posts at all. I think it is better to have new posts even if they are repetitive questions. It keeps fresh conversation going. If nobody makes new posts because it's already been covered, then most of the posts will be several months/years old. How boring of a site would that be? If someone wants to ask a question, I say ask away.

This is how I see it. It's not like there is some ground breaking Xterra news everyday. It's all been covered. If everyone relied solely on the search function, then there would be no need for any new posts at all. I think it is better to have new posts even if they are repetitive questions. It keeps fresh conversation going. If nobody makes new posts because it's already been covered, then most of the posts will be several months/years old. How boring of a site would that be? If someone wants to ask a question, I say ask away.

I totally agree with this...... Everything has almost been coverd. There will be no reason for anyone to make a new post..........just use the search.

In my experance on other forums, when they did this it wasnt long before that forum died........Everyone will be scared to ask a ? fearing that it has already been coverd.

If i can answer a question and help out i will.......newb or not. The last month or so i think it has been kind of slow and it's nice to have a new post to read weather its a repeat........If it's a newb at least you know your helping out a new person.......not like it's the same person asking the same question over and over.

NO NEW POSTS MEANS A LAME FORUM.... People will go elseware looking for new posts to read.

Im sure there must be a better solution....i see a few people were throwing out some ideas.

...We don't want to be seen as being like XOC was...

^^^ X2...
IMO CX should be primarily about sharing knowledge and encouraging one another. Folks not inclined to extend a kind hand by informing noobs in an inspirational manner should do their best to refrain from posting responses to their questions, and gracefully allow the rest of us to bring them up to speed in a positive environment. Remember that we were all ignorant noobs at one time :)

Last 2 posters. I agree to an extent. Yeah, technically I could probably search 99% of what problems with X's currently exist. But if I find an answer, you just bump the thread and say, yeah, that worked thanks Billy Blanks.

Honestly I am with Scott, when I see that there are new old questions, I say "skip" in my head. A lot of the times it is because I find it annoying, and do not want to answer something that I have answered probably 200 or 300x.

It is like this.

If you really want to learn like many people say they do, then they should look. A lot of know the answer. If we do not, then we know how to find the answer.

A person is worthless when they are handed things all the time. If someone asks every single day what size tire can I fit? and you answer, you are eventually going to get burned out on the whole thing. How many times can you say Knock knock who's there? in a row? You are gonna knock that person out eventually. So instead of saying who's there? You say, this is how you find out who is there, Someone already asked who was there previously.

Trust me, I am a smart guy but when I was in high school, my mother was an enabler. She might not have known better but she was. She always helped me with my homework and answered and researched my stuff for me. She did it because she did not want me to fail, but because of that, I am lazy to an extent academically to this day. Why? I was used to having that stuff handed to me.

It goes back to the give a man a fish, teach a man to fish saying.

If anyone has any questions, they can always PM me, and I will definitely answer them, or just give them my phone number. You can ask anyone on this board, and I will talk them through any question that they have.

If you look at the recent posts, maybe 2 out of 30 have been asked about a million times, and that does not seem like a forum that is about to die to me.

It goes back to the give a man a fish, teach a man to fish saying.

No arguement with that philosophy. Part of bringing noobs up to speed is answering their questions and the other part is enpowering them with search tools and forum practices...consistantly positive environment.

agreed

soooooooo is the throttle body spacer worth the money..... how do you use the search button in the toppish left corner of the screen, help i cant find it.... also how do i find other xterra forums... people here seem to be very mean





hahhahahhaa lmao

I wouldn't set up a beginners section, but you know how when you sign up for email websites or other websites, the company sends you an email welcoming you to the club. Maybe that would be the route to go...send out a welcome and tips for beginners like about searching before posting, etc.

also james, what to do for fuel efficiency for our X's(my first post and i didnt think to look it up bc I didnt know) is pretty well covered there are plenty of posts to get the information people are looking for.

Ok.



PS: Why not set up a beginner section with the forum? I've seen where other forums limits the new member to only view that designated section until a certain time/ number of posts has been reached. It usually consists of the same questions, there for no new threads are added to the main part of the forum causing this much trouble. Has worked very well in the 240sxforums.

It goes back to the give a man a fish, teach a man to fish saying.

Yes, Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day

Teach, a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.

Teach a man how to create an artificial shortage of fish and he'll eat steak!


OK, back to topic at hand!

I wouldn't set up a beginners section, but you know how when you sign up for email websites or other websites, the company sends you an email welcoming you to the club. Maybe that would be the route to go...send out a welcome and tips for beginners like about searching before posting, etc.

also james, what to do for fuel efficiency for our X's(my first post and i didnt think to look it up bc I didnt know) is pretty well covered there are plenty of posts to get the information people are looking for.

When I get unsolicited email it gets deleted.

An email with a bunch of articles I don't care about at this exact second is definitely going to get deleted.

So it will save a couple of questions but not prevention.

but the more steps you take to get the information out the more people will catch on...lol...possibly

Guys, I'm a nube, and I've been looking at your site for a few weeks without being a member while I was deciding to by an X or not. This site convinced me that I was not going to go wrong buying a used X.

Having said that, there is one thing on this site that took me about a week to figure out (on some threads, others are obvious). A lot of the how-to's and troubleshooting threads do not immediately make it clear if they are describing first or second gen. Some of them, I'm still not completely positive, but as I learn my vehicle, I can immediately dismiss some of them as first gen. (which does me no good).

I know I'm asking a lot, but can some of the forum titles actually say something like "first gen trailer wiring" (I grabbed that out of my rear, maybe it does, but I hope you know what I'm getting at) as opposed to "trailer wiring"?

Like I said, I'm a nube, not with vehicles, but with X's. And I did get confused......

Read and understood. I run a couple of BBS and know your pain.

I shall respond with this :)
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u7/rattfink31/ClubXsearch.jpg (http://www.clubxterra.org/forums/search.php) <Click!

Read and understood. I run a couple of BBS and know your pain.

I shall respond with this :)
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u7/rattfink31/ClubXsearch.jpg (http://www.clubxterra.org/forums/search.php) <Click!


:thumbsup-big:

I agree as well

Sounds good

ill do my best to look first before posting. X-ALPiNE-X

x2 on james first post

i was pretty disappointed with some of the threads i saw when i got back from wheeling all weekend, that isnt what cx is about, and i sure as hell didnt like the whole mob mentality bashing going on

from now on any blatant disrespect i come across in any posts is going to disappear

agreed 100%

Read and understood. I run a couple of BBS and know your pain.

I shall respond with this :)
http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u7/rattfink31/ClubXsearch.jpg (http://www.clubxterra.org/forums/search.php) <Click!


if you have problems with that basic search feature then just click on the advanced search and it will be easier and more productive...

Ok.

The search function is great, no doubt.

But, just cruising through the forums trying to get ideas on different mods and so on is what got me mixed up. You see, not all of us know exactly what we're going to do with our rides, and what mods we're going to get done first. I've been reading through the forums trying to get ideas. After taking my X out in the woods, I know what my first mod will be now! I have to get rid of those Long Trail tires!

works for me, sounds like a good plan to keep down the frustration

Hey, thanks a lot all! It seems that there are tons of great additional ideas from you guys. The mods will dissect this thread at some point and do a re-construction whether major or minor, we will apply some of these ideas.

Boy a person could have some fun here but I wont. Search button is are friend.

Boy a person could have some fun here but I wont. Search button is are friend.

Must bite tongue...... OWWW that hurt.

Great now my mouth is open.... some of you guys need to watch the comedy channel more. Jeff Dunham has a new series starting this week:lutscher-big:

ok

Roger that.

Might I also suggest we sticky more threads that give thorough answers to those questions listed that are asked so commonly.

Sure, that works too. I was simply suggesting a way to document answers to commonly asked questions. If you want to cram all of those into a single stickey post to allow more visual room to newer posts be my guest. I just wanted it distinguished somehow.

May I also suggest that we DO NOT sticky more threads?

The thing that drives me away from forums the fastest is when there are 50 stickied threads per forum and you have to go to page 3 just to find new posts.

It's stupid and ridiculous.

IMO, any forum should never have more than 2 sticky threads.

An alternative is a sticky which has LINKS in it to the relevant threads instead of cluttering up the forums.

Now that is a great potential solution! Just add to the Sticky as good/great threads are found! I like it!

:anbeten-big:

May I also suggest that we DO NOT sticky more threads?

The thing that drives me away from forums the fastest is when there are 50 stickied threads per forum and you have to go to page 3 just to find new posts.

It's stupid and ridiculous.

IMO, any forum should never have more than 2 sticky threads.

An alternative is a sticky which has LINKS in it to the relevant threads instead of cluttering up the forums.


True but threads that aren't stickied but not active are archived after a while. One of the forums I was apart of would constantly say search the forums in refrence to a specific thread. The thread had been archived for over a year before anyone caught on. I don't know what the archiving is set to here.

Sure thing. That's what the search function is for....

Here's some forums im a regular on.

1.Gminsidenews.com
2.Clubfrontier.org
3.Titantalk.com
4.Dezertrangers.com
5.Pirate4x4
6.300cforums.com
7.noas4x4club.com
8.Infamousnissan.com
9.Clubxterra.org

Im apart of a total of 13-15 forums.

These above are the one's i frequent daily or weekly. Now out of all these only 4 i would actually support. With my hard earned money. One of which im already a member of. Which is NOAS. This site would be on the list as well.
This is because of the friendly enviroment. The ability to be yourself without having to overly explain yourself on every situation. The beautiful trucks along with a vastily different variety of people. This site has been fun and a very cool experience for me and others. Because this site gets alot of press on other frontier sites. Because of how awesome it is.

So lets just keep it worth it.

word

ok

I am just posting because someone said they want the viewed to be the same number as Post... so cool, I agree with most of what has been said.

Xterra's have the crazy owners... the Titan forum was not nearly as entertaining.

roger that

I am just posting because someone said they want the viewed to be the same number as Post... so cool, I agree with most of what has been said.

Xterra's have the crazy owners... the Titan forum was not nearly as entertaining.

Thats funny man I was going to say the same thing. I think its awesome and pretty rare that the moderators care about stuff like that. That is dedication!

consider yourself appreciated soccerbrace!

You got it! This is a great topic and it's something I've noticed recently. I hope this will help nip this in the bud.

Ok got it! Good deal!

sounds good.

I dunno about here but I don't think alot of these forums will let you post a link to a search results page because it's gone out of the database as soon as you click out of it. I've found it's easiest to post direct links to the threads, list key words to use in the search, or just don't post a reply.

Noone posts a question just to be told to do a search. Different sites search differently so it's not always easy getting the correct search words in for the hit. There are also times when the site is running slow and searching is painful.

If you guys want to reduce FAQs being asked, the best way might be to start up a thread called "Frequently Asked Questions" and make it a sticky with links to the helpful threads in it. Then when someone asks, you can post a link to that FAQ thread while being politely too lazy to search for the noob. - hehe :D

There already is an FAQ section and we are in it.

There already is an FAQ section and we are in it.

Right, but there could also be a FAQ thread if you think it would help.

For example, someone wants to know the biggest tires they can run on a stock height gen 2. The currently have to search "tires" in FAQ, easy huh?? But maybe the thread they need is on page 20 of the results and they are impatient. So when they ask, the reply points to a FAQ thread that has links to answers for a list of FAQ's in a single post. That would allow you to post a link to a single thread each and everytime to answer different questions instead of having to run a search and find which threads to link to.

Maybe it's a waste and not helpful, but just an idea that might make it easier for replying to those types of questions????


BTW, you guys still have the best Xterra site that I've seen on the www.

^i agree with you Pops. They do that on other sites im apart of and its most helpful.

You've helped me out Soccerbrace, and because of some of the snakry responses here recently, I don't come back as regularly, and I plunked down cash to be here. It is a good, technical site that has a ton of information, smartasses I get at work everyday.

^^^ Sorry about that EPXterra. We're trying to fix those things here. We welcome everyone and discourage rude behavior but we don't always catch it in time.

You've helped me out Soccerbrace, and because of some of the snakry responses here recently, I don't come back as regularly, and I plunked down cash to be here. It is a good, technical site that has a ton of information, smartasses I get at work everyday.


I am really sorry to hear that. Please let me or any of the moderators know when something like this happens. I will make sure to take car of it ASAP. I am really upset with the number of people who are purposely going against the rules. We try to be cool here and be nice to each member, but sometimes we get taken advantage of and that is what really gets to me. I try not to be a jurk to anyone, and if I know I am, I will apologize publicly. There are some members here, who just like to push buttons. They get one warning, and that is it. Soon, they will get none.

^^^ Sorry about that EPXterra. We're trying to fix those things here. We welcome everyone and discourage rude behavior but we don't always catch it in time.

You guys are the coolest Mod's i have seen around on any forum im apart of. You all take care of your business and conversate with us locals. Like your still one of us. Even though you have control over the important things. If that makes sense. It so very refreshing expecially since over on other sites. Some threads get closed down just because other's decide that their opinion is a "Stand Alone" and others dont matter. You guys take our advice. You actually listen and have us at the heart of the sites very best interests. Its something that makes me excited to come back day-to-day.

Thanks....

:thumbup: Stick to your guns guys. The problem with that behavior is that it's contagious. As soon as one person is doing it, others will soon follow then it gets out of hand quickly. If you can nip it in the bud then the good people can stay good. :D

I've regretfully stepped out of line myself and it's nice to be able to do so once in a great while but some of the trash lately is kinda rediculous.

There are no apologies needed, I still come here willingly, I wasn't trying to throw stones. I have a lowly 2wd and have not been mistreated because of it (but it will be the only prerunner Xterra I've seen LOL). I personnally like involved mods, and this forum is not typical of many I belong to. I inherited my Xterra unwillingly, now, I've already laid down the law to the accountant (wife) and told her my next truck will be an Xterra Offroad. Before I was a diehard fulllsize fan, but I love my ugly ass Xterra. The forum is healthy, humor is appreciated, being a dick, not so much.

Will do! (Even tho I'm a noob, haha)

because of some of the snakry responses here recently, I don't come back as regularly, It is a good, technical site that has a ton of information, smartasses I get at work everyday.

X2.....I use to come here many times n would learn tons of things bout my xterra but trashbashin ppl is reason i dunt come here much. i almost payed 4 membership but desided not too bc of that trashbashin. cant remember who but there is a guy on here that trashbashes ppl always with snide pix n that pushs me away.

will do on search thing even i dunt post much neways

Look guys. I'm all for being nice to people however one thing about this site that drives me nuts is that people post mods or suggest ways of fabricating that are down right questionable and then people just glorify the person without an educational base. If someone posts something questionable then hell yeah I'm going to call them out just like I have in the past especially when it is safety related. I'm not trying to be cocky but I do have more fabricating experience than most on this board. No one can stop me from calling people out for saying stupid things. Generally I try to help people out whenever I can and will keep doing the same

Okay.

I see a whole bunch of people saying OK, and then going and answering the same question in the whole thread.

Look guys. I'm all for being nice to people however one thing about this site that drives me nuts is that people post mods or suggest ways of fabricating that are down right questionable and then people just glorify the person without an educational base. If someone posts something questionable then hell yeah I'm going to call them out just like I have in the past especially when it is safety related. I'm not trying to be cocky but I do have more fabricating experience than most on this board. No one can stop me from calling people out for saying stupid things. Generally I try to help people out whenever I can and will keep doing the same

I totally agree with you. If it's a safety thing that needs to be addressed, then helping them to understand why it's unsafe and helping them come up with a plan to make it safe, is a good thing.

Just none of this "dude, your stupid for doing it that way", lol. There are a lot of young people and people new to fabricating on here, and stuff like that doesn't help. Give them some real info.

We all have to share the roads out there and I want my family safe. So you won't here me telling someone that what they did is cool, if it's not, and I'll do what I can to help them fix it.

I totally agree with you. If it's a safety thing that needs to be addressed, then helping them to understand why it's unsafe and helping them come up with a plan to make it safe, is a good thing.

Just none of this "dude, your stupid for doing it that way", lol. There are a lot of young people and people new to fabricating on here, and stuff like that doesn't help. Give them some real info.

We all have to share the roads out there and I want my family safe. So you won't here me telling someone that what they did is cool, if it's not, and I'll do what I can to help them fix it.

i do this, no one here is advocating anyone do otherwise

cool beans!

Ok

Just joined and got it! ;)

Just joined and got it! ;)

Ha!! It's more like Stan giving YOU a tough time. He sure likes messing (or maybe flirting??) with you. - LOLz :D

Ha!! It's more like Stan giving YOU a tough time. He sure likes messing (or maybe flirting??) with you. - LOLz :D

LMAO! I read this and thought, "WTH?! Who's THIS guy?!" ;) He needs his own set of rules, don't jinx it! Lol!!

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Ha!! It's more like Stan giving YOU a tough time. He sure likes messing (or maybe flirting??) with you. - LOLz :D

She seems to enjoy it. Atleast thats what she tells me...lol

She seems to enjoy it. Atleast thats what she tells me...lol

:talk2much: Literally!!! Lol jk. :D

Im glad im not theonly one who has noticed this. I know that I am a fairly new member, and almost just quit signing in do to the negative posts that i recieved back from my original threads. It does take a while to get used to the way the forum works. I think if you are tired of the same posts being posted over and over again then just dont respond to them or read them.

I've been on this board every day for a couple years now, and this has only been an issue very recently with a few new members and it will be resolved. Don't give up on this place quite yet, lol, I have all the confidence in the world that the mods will get this place on track and up to it's greatness once again in no time.

Thrust me, if this place wasn't cool to hang out and filled with great people, I wouldn't be here.

I've been on this board every day for a couple years now, and this has only been an issue very recently with a few new members and it will be resolved. Don't give up on this place quite yet, lol, I have all the confidence in the world that the mods will get this place on track and up to it's greatness once again in no time.

Thrust me, if this place wasn't cool to hang out and filled with great people, I wouldn't be here.

Agreed 100%

You know what? If you seasoned xperts are frustrated with us new guys, I can understand. But what you also need to realize is that a lot of us don't want to:
1. Call a dealership
2. Call an aftermarket parts place and,
3. Figure it out the hard way by doing it wrong

Not to sound lame, but I myself look up to you guys and your knowledge. I am a 31 year old carpenter with a huge knowledge base, but not with xterras. I thought a forum was a place to ask and answer questions without being judged? If you don't want me here, speak up. You should be thankful that people confide in you for advice, not annoyed when you hear it too much. People spend thousands of dollars based on what you tell them. If you want to trade that for your ego, fine. Let me know and I'll be gone in a drag n drop no problem. Thanks. -Ryan

ryguy, that's actually not the problem at all, lol.

We have no problem at all with newbies asking questions, in fact, we encourage it. The problem is a few newer people on here, have not been so nice to the noobs and that's uncalled for. That is not what this place is all about and they need to go away. We want people like you to come hang out and have fun.

At the same time, we just ask for a little respect, and that the newbies do a little searching first. If you search for 5-10 minutes and come up with nothing that helps, post away, that's what we are here for. The problem is lately, that many times the same questions will be asked by 3 different people (and it's their first or second post ever, lol) and the answer is already on the front page, because it was already asked earlier in the day, lol. Know what I mean?

Ryguy,

Creepy hit the nail on the head, I originally cam e to this site because of the atmosphere, I personally dont mind guys asking questions, it is what I believe forums are for. But being an ass is unnecessary.

was I being an ass?

Not at all, sorry if I gave you the impression that that statement was aimed at you, no it is one of the secondary reasons this thread got started. You're fine, all of your posts ive ever seen have been respectful.

No Ryguy, you're all good dude. no worries with you at all, lol.

x2 on what Creepy said. No problem at all answering ANY questions that you have, however, it is nice to see some effort out of the person asking the question first, this effort is simply searching this question.

I do not have an ego whatsoever, and you can call me personally whenever you need help with absolutely anything. I think that there are hardly any people on here that have an ego. It is simple to search, and we want you here, we just want some effort out of people before asking the question which has been asked hundreds of times, and answered thousands of times.

Yep, what he said, lol.:thumbup:

I agree. Personally feel free to call JAMES anytime night or day to ask questions! :D

:laugh-big::laugh-big::laugh-big:

Ok

most of us veteran guys will answer all the ?'s you can ask just make sure you do a little search first.. LOL and if you cant find it or have trouble understanding the answers then post up and we will hook you up... all in all thats what a forum is there for...

BRING ON THE NOOBS!!!!!!! LOL j/k

BUMP-please start actually doing this guys.

What Tires will fit on my X? Im thinking 30s may be pushing it. ;)

ok

I think in general the group has gotten better about being more helpful about this stuff.
Less stomping about of the search nazis.

I am still new and I appreciate my dumb questions being patiently answered. I have searched the forum for info on stiff steering on 2003 Xterras, do you know of any info already posted? I purchased my Xterra a few months ago and the steering seems unnaturally stiff.

You're lucky. That's not Xterra-esque. Usually it's just numb and slightly unresponsive.

ok, will do my best!!

Hello, Sorry didn't read all of it..

What are the short cuts for finding a answer?

Aloha, Help ...need ball joints (for the knees) ...xterra 2002?

I agree fully. Positive response or no response. Everybody has different opinions on cheap shots, jokes, and what is completely uncalled for. We don't want this place looking like the comment sections of Youtube or Ebaumsworld. Those places make me loose more and more hope for mankind every time I visit.

Ok

Hello, Sorry didn't read all of it..

What are the short cuts for finding a answer?

Aloha, Help ...need ball joints (for the knees) ...xterra 2002?


i find it much more useful to browse the appropriate section of the forum for an answer

need ot know tire sizes? go look in either the offroad wheel/tire section or the on road wheel/tire section

ok

solid copy.

10-4 ill try and play nice lol

What Tires will fit on my X? Im thinking 30s may be pushing it. ;)
30s???? Thats like 2 and a half feet!!! You could probably climb up Mt. Rushmore with tires that big:anbeten-big:

o tay

Thank you for the post, and I will do as well. Thank you everyone for all of the information. I am going to have to try the airsoft bb trick to get some more life out of my tires that I got that were on it when I purchased my 2004 used. I will update that post when I have tried it. Worst case scenario...it doesn't work, and I am going to get new tires soon anyway. I am lazy and get the lifetime balancing/rotation from the tire places anyway, just a way to temporarily put off a $1k purchase.

Sounds like a plan!

First time reading.

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first time i fund this, but typically i go for the "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything" rule.

I did the read, and agree.



first time i fund this, but typically i go for the "if you dont have anything nice to say, dont say anything" rule.

I also go by this rule.

ok

I just read this and as a noob it's fresh to see someone making the attempt to solve a problem from both sides. Outstanding and ...OK.

Easy enough.

Is there a rule we have about posting questions? What if it's a re-post? My 2005 Xterra is white. Is that normal or should I take it to the dealer?

:D

My 2005 Xterra is white. Is that normal or should I take it to the dealer?

:D

WAKKA WAKKA!

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I completely agree James, I've been seeing some on the edge posts lately... we definitely can't expect new members to understand our "sense of humor" right away.

edit- wow this thread is old.

we definitely can't expect new members to understand our "sense of humor" right away.

I was thinking this just yesterday, It is hard enough to get to know someone in person and learn their humor but online it can be even harder. We should have to also be a little easier on sarcastic humor as to not offend anyone right off the bat. I have only seen this happen myself a few times but those I remember...I don't see the offended posting anymore either.

Common courtesy should be a given it should not have to be a rule. I love to joke around and I too am guilty of this offense myself but I do try to make sure that people can tell im just joking and not trying to be a smartass even though I really am most of the time.

I have a golden rule: Treat others the way you would want to be treated.
With that said, I have answered many rehashes of older posts, to some. I have given info with links to the old information, but never have and never will disrespect others here. Breaking the golden rule should not be an option for board members.
I think many forget they were noobs and asked questions that had already been answered. They must learn the ropes, without fear of being beaten down!

If you can not be helpful, do not even respond to the post!

I will also do my best to do the sites wishes!

will do

I think many forget they were noobs and asked questions that had already been answered.

That is the main thing there. While it might get irritating depending on the mood I'm in at the time, I will still try to answer the millionth PML or "What size tire" thread if no one else has been helpful. Just because I may have 10000 posts and I'm an admin, doesn't mean my first 1000 posts weren't asking the exact questions they are now. Nobody is born with extensive knowledge of vehicles and without forums, this knowledge is not something you can talk to a mechanic, dealer or tire shop about.

That was something Ricer-X and Json3904 wanted to enforce waaaay back in the day and the mods they added had to agree with that principle. We didn't want CX to become like other forums where "noobs" had to live in fear of ridicule for asking basic questions. Yes it would be great if they went straight for the search function but everybody knows that the search function here as well as 99% of other forums doesn't exactly give you what you are looking for. It is just as easy for them to start a thread with their question/problem and it is just as easy for members to type a neutral, helpful response.

In the same number of keystrokes it takes to bust somebody's balls, you could have simply answered their question.

Did somebody say balls?


Yeah I am very sarcastic at times.. I try to lightly let noobs know this in the welcome threads.. But I had to ban a noob yesterday for fighting due to some funny text..

I get tired of seeing the same questions posted all over the place but we need to grow CX not tear it down..


So be nice!

Here, here!! This has made CX a great community.

Unless they spam another thread with the same question, I'm cool.

Ok!

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good idea

Crap, now I'm hungry!

What I've noticed, you can perform a search for whatever the topic. Let's say, "Driver side window not working".

You'll get 100 posts to dig thru. More than half of them are unrelated. Because your search brought up links with just DRIVER, WINDOW, maybe the word NOT.

So, I can understand just asking the question outright. It's not that noobs are lazy or redundant in asking questions to topics that have been discussed already. It's just easier to be direct than spend hours looking thru links and maybe not find the answer you're looking for because you're not using the right word search.

Would you agree?

Agreed. Forum search engines are pretty futile/frustrating. They don't have the ability to discern phrases from single keywords like a google, IE, etc. search engine does. It's not just here, all forums (that I belong to or have used) have the same issue. It's just a pretty basic engine/feature.

Agreed. Forum search engines are pretty futile/frustrating. They don't have the ability to discern phrases from single keywords like a google, IE, etc. search engine does. It's not just here, all forums (that I belong to or have used) have the same issue. It's just a pretty basic engine/feature.

This is why Admins and veteran members need to go easy on newbies that ask questions and the response is, " Do a search". Searching doesn't always produce results.

This is why Admins and veteran members need to go easy on newbies that ask questions and the response is, " Do a search". Searching doesn't always produce results.

I'll absolutely agree, it's a bit like getting an RTFM response, a little hostile.

What's worked for me in the past is googling it, though. You can tell google to look at only one site by inserting "site:clubxterra.org", minus the quotes of course. You can then add whatever you're searching for with or without quotes depending on how specific your search is.

For example: site:clubxterra.org "pml how to" or whatever.

That's awesome!! I'll have to try that.

Actually, when doing a google, bing, yahoo, etc. search, if you use quotation marks, it will narrow down your search even further. By using quotation marks around the keyword(s) you are looking for, it will only pull hits that have exactly that word or phrase. For example, searching for poor man lift for xterra, you would get hits for a poor man, a lift, an xterra, lifted xterra, poor man xterra, etc. etc. whereas if you were to put "poor man lift for xterra", you would only get hits for links that have exactly that phrase.

EDIT: Just out of curiosity, I did that exact search. Without quotation marks, I got back 8,860 hits. Using quotation marks, I got TWO. :)

Also if u remember the screen name of the OP who wrote it you'll be able to find it quickly. Thats how I do it most of the time.

I'm pretty sure I've said Ok to this before but just in case, Roger that, moderators.

i need to wire my roof lights, i need HELP! lol, j/k! WORD brothers.....

I'll have to check that out.

Ive been searching and i cant find if i can fit these 30 in chrome rims on my EXTERRA :D

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Just Kidding :D

:helmetandring-big::angst-big:

agreed. It would also help if there was a limit to how long threads where available.
Would it be possible to remove old threads that, lets say are 4, 5 years old?
Maybe the mods could have a spring cleaning day? XD.
The classifieds deff need to be cleaned up. IMO

I wouldn't remove old threads, because a lot of them have really good info in them still. I personally look at really old threads all the time.

The classifieds though, I think should expire and drop off after so much time. (automatically if possible). If the parts or whatever are still available when it expires, they could just get reposted. That would keep them up to date.

I love this thread. So many ideas and what has REALLY changed? Oh I know stuff did and thats cool. But you know, I LIKE reading new posts of the SAME stuff over and over. Why? I'll tell you. SOMETIMES, when people post the same stuff again, a new idea might be generated. Yes, I agree, go through and "find" the older posts if you can. But its WAY easier to post up the same question and have it seen on the latest forum.
Now, I have been away for a few months and am not really up to speed on whats going on but thats just my two cents, again.

Can do.

The problem is that people often try to be a little too creative with the names of their threads. I have done better using a yahoo search engine and searching for what I want and adding clubxterra to the search. It usually pulls up what I am looking for.

You got it! I will also do my part to search as i come up with questions.

I think this is a good way to go about it, i'll admit i was guilty earlier this week.But i think the responses will work well.

Ok


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I get not wanting things posted constantly like "what tire can I fit" but sometimes the search doesn't work if you don't know the exact thread title. For me (not so much now) the issue has been that when I read DIYs or info thread about stuff I have searched I am still confused about certain aspects not being answered. Such as my recent post about a BL there wasn't one place on the DIYs or anywhere else when I searched that shared the importance or purpose of the Full Kit versus the pieced together BL. I love this site but I think people come here to share concerns and if they are limited because some ppl get tired of talking about common topics then the site may lose followers. Like I said I feel like I can get help with anything here and I don't want to feel like I can't ask without being harassed since I always do a search first.

In my experience i'll search my topic read a few threads and if i still have questions make another. Normally i get the answer for my questions, and the original thread, or what have you. most people on here are ok answering the same question. The one thing i like is you can have basic to low level experience in cars and ask as many question as you like most the time people will be honest and point you in the right direction. I dont think we'll lose followers because ppl are tired of talking about common topics. Everyone just needs to remember that not everyone here knows everything, which is why we are here. Or the reason im here anyway.

Okay.

I've said this before (as have many others even in this thread), the search is crappy. Even the google search in the upper left is a pain since its setup to search *all* the forums autoguide runs rather than the forum you're currently using (ie: clubxterra). If there was a way an admin were allowed to fix that, it would make the search feature (well the built in google one) a lot better.

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If you don't like answering the same threads then don't answer.. LOL. Wow! what a concept ...HA!

cool

got ya!!

ok sounds good

All for it!

ok

Sounds like a plan


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....mmmmh, I am a newb and I might have asked some general 4x4 questions and not specific xterra questions....anyway i usually search the web before posting stuff or aksing questions...find it usefull to share information I found on other pages/ forums with clubx members....but the thing i like most about club x is that people usually dont give answers just like: use the search function....I really like that as (what many mem. already said) you just dont find all the information you need using the search function and it is not a very friendly reply....on the other hand i agree, the last weeks there were many questions like: is the x the right truck for me or why should i buy a x and not a jeep. well i am new and it is not for me to decide how to deal with that, but i would be happy and i would appreciate if frequently asked questions are either answered by refering to other threads or not being answerd........

I'm a noob and I'm bad at searching...but I'm working on it!

Hit up google, and at the end of your search terms add site:clubxterra.org
Its an old trick google has to tell it to report search results only from here (or use the box in my signature... it does the same thing just "automated")

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Agreed, respect/friendship is what this is all about....Noobs are people too!

Game on

Hit up google, and at the end of your search terms add site:clubxterra.org
Its an old trick google has to tell it to report search results only from here (or use the box in my signature... it does the same thing just "automated")

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Agree with soccerbrace's OP and thanks for this tip. Wasn't familiar with it.

Ok

Copy!
I for one am very appreciative of the overall helpfulness and patience of the vast majority of the cx members!

Got it


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I can get behind this.

Ok

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ok

ok

I know I do that sometime. I use the 'search forums' a lot sometimes it yeilds the correct answers for me sometimes not, sometimes it seem the search option is just randomly picking threads that have no relavence to what I am searching. Most issues that are common are in the FAQ section. I, for one don't mind directing any noobs to certain threads but I don't know them all. I can imagine that the server doesn't like haveing 101 threads asking the same question.

Hit up google, and at the end of your search terms add site:clubxterra.org
Its an old trick google has to tell it to report search results only from here (or use the box in my signature... it does the same thing just "automated")

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I know I've been guilty of not using the search as I should and I really appreciate the offers of helpful hints when I have brought up something that should have been searched (option B). CX is still one of the best groups on the web.

Sounds like this site will get even better with a beginner section. Maybe we could add another thread on search tricks like the one quoted from RJR162.

Keeping it real!

sure thing.

Sure thing.

holy thread revival batman

Will do sir, will do

I should've read this today before I asked if 33s would rub with a 2" BL :pullout: Hahaha.. Not that I didn't already know about the search bar, but I didn't even think about how frusterated it must make people! Sorry guys!

I hear that, I've got the same problem over on a different forum that I moderate for. Some mornings I'll get on and see all the "repeat" questions and just decide to take the day off. Especially when it's those new members who search to find the forum, but won't search for the info.
:duh:

got it

Sounds good!

Roger that .

Check.

awesome

ok

Understood

Haha this was first posted in '09 and I'm reading it for the first time...
Will do!!

werd.