Question on what package to buy or some good sugestions??????
http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=77&category_id=1b921f889645306716f3ad512da920c6&ps_session=3329895cde3e31323b2e45b70b2507cb

Or

http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=1958&category_id=1b921f889645306716f3ad512da920c6&ps_session=3329895cde3e31323b2e45b70b2507cb

Or like i said some sugestions??????? looking at around 1000.00 to play with

Personally, I like THIS one http://www.spencerlowracing.com/products/econ_lift.htm

how much of a lift will it give me???? i would like a 3"and i think if im not mistaken that one gives me a 2" but i could be wrong.

This one is the 3" (it's on the same page, just not the picture) http://www.spencerlowracing.com/products/econ_xterra_aal_1shackle.jpg

why dose slr not tell you how much of a lift it is?????????

ok i think i found what im going to get it is the Bilstein steering stabilizer kit, the xterra ball joint spacers, and the deluxe suspension package with bilstein shocks sub total of 1198.35 with 59.36 shipping per gino from AC

im in limbo slr called me back and there eco sl is a true 3" so now i might go that rout but i dont know yet so if anyone has any other sugg. feel free to let me know

The quality of the SLR stuff is top notch. But it is a little more pricey.

All the standard SL's for the pre-'05's are 3", except the Rancho, which is 2.5" (and, additionally, has no flex/sucks, etc.)

The standard suspension lift for the '05+'s is 2.5"...with 5" versions coming on line.

Be aware of the following -

1. Lift shackles -

Calmini's 1.5" lift shackle is about 6" eye to eye, 3" longer than stock, and lifts the butt about 1.5".

SLR and AC's shackles are 1" or 2" longer than stock, labeled as 1" or 2" lift shackles...meaning that they lift you 1/2" to 1" (NOT 1" or 2"). We measured them...the 2" shackle is SHORTER than the Calmini 1.5" shackle, as Calmini labels them by lift, the others by their length over stock...BUT TELL YOU ITS BY THE AMOUNT OF LIFT.

The Articulator Suspension with Revolver Shackles SAYS the Revolvers give 1.25" of LIFT...but, they are 1.25" longer than STOCK...and give more like 2/3" of lift. (I HAVE the Revolver Shackles...and, they are AWSOME, work great, NO downside, except I had to add more lift)

So - The sellers TELL you one thing, but, we measured, and, they are WRONG.
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So - when planning a lift...keep in mind that the amount of lift they SAY, is NOT the amount of lift you get.

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Also - UCA's - The SLR stage I+ give a bit more droop, about 2" more, than the other UCA's. AC SAYS their UCAs are longer, but, they are the exact same length as stock...as are the other UCAs...ALL are stock length, but, the SLR SHAPE allows more droop by curving over the bumpstops.

IF you do the SLR UCAs, you NEED the diff drop kit, because the extra droop puts stress on the CV joints that the other UCAs don't...so the others don't NEED a diff drop kit to relieve the CV angles.

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Steering -

ALL the SL's change your steering geometry, as the links are pulled up when the truck rises, and this stresses the steering linkages centerlink and tie-rod ends, etc...add the larger tires most get with the lift...and the steering become vulnerable.

So - Plan on adding a steering kit if you do a SL....either L&P Stage III, or the SLR...Calmini's been a bit hairy/having complaints for most people (I have the Calmini, and its been fine...but all my buddies with it were screwed)

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Food for thought....

:wink-big:

:smart: but :talk2much:

;)

Ant - please, feel free to summarize all the above...I don't have the time.

:D

Summarize? ME?... When you explain it so well??

I was just bustin on ya ;)

Too late...you hurt my feelings.

I want my steel back, the wedding's off.

When I electrocuted your steel it got stuck to some of my steel, sorry no backsies now ;)

Bitch

.................

:auslachen2-big:!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ricer-x and myself did some reaserch and this is what im gonna get when i purchase the lift

http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=1957&category_id=1b921f889645306716f3ad512da920c6&ps_session=e061de2d2f52b1e0d4fba992849907a6 (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=1957&category_id=1b921f889645306716f3ad512da920c6&ps_session=e061de2d2f52b1e0d4fba992849907a6)

and

http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=2240&category_id=06549ac30ff0f448288fa0d677d4673e&ps_session=e061de2d2f52b1e0d4fba992849907a6 (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=2240&category_id=06549ac30ff0f448288fa0d677d4673e&ps_session=e061de2d2f52b1e0d4fba992849907a6)

and

http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=769&category_id=e8ee17ee53efb99eff24481c3a2cd467&ps_session=e061de2d2f52b1e0d4fba992849907a6 (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=769&category_id=e8ee17ee53efb99eff24481c3a2cd467&ps_session=e061de2d2f52b1e0d4fba992849907a6)


i went ahead and decided to go with AC ricer-x has the same components and i like his lift the only thing he dont have is the stabilizer for the steering so i will see how it goes. im getting the spacers cause i am going to use the shackles that i have to give it more lift so in theory i should have 4.5" instead of the 3". also later on in the year i am going to add a 2" bl and some bigger tires proably 33" if it fits, which if im not mistaken will give me a grand total of 9.5 i think but im proab wrong so go ahead and crack on me for my theory but at least it sounds good.........

json how has the lift gone for you because I am looking at lifting my x as well and to be completely honest I am totally confused as to eveyrthing I need!

i am as well, i think i want to do 3" sl and 2" bl though, but again i have no idea what id need

i havent got it yet but i will let yall know what im gonna get as soon as i can im in a hurry but kater on tonight i will post everything you need for the 3sl and the 2bl that i am going to get it should help.

this is what im going to go with and some other little odds and ends when i order at the end of the month



Deluxe Suspension Pkg W/3 Leaf Add A Leaf Pack & Bilstein Shocks (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=3386&ps_session=a42e64dca187f7381d71ba0f61332027)NSPACX 2WD6BIL3PK 955.00
Xterra Ball Joint Spacers (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=769&ps_session=a42e64dca187f7381d71ba0f61332027)SPACB7 60 54.95
Bilstein Steering Stabilizer Kit (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=2240&ps_session=a42e64dca187f7381d71ba0f61332027)SPACBX STAB 93.00

the Bl i might go with and i might not it depends on what tyler with 4wheelparts.com tells me he sent me a e-mail quote
"Please call me direct on my extension so I may better assist you. I will give you a price too low to quote in writing. Thank you." on the tires i want. i ended up with either the SS thornbird or the pro comp mud terrain
Xterra 2 Inch Body Lift (http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=337&ps_session=a42e64dca187f7381d71ba0f61332027)SPBL12 4002 185.40
SubTotal: 1288.35

i recieved my order today, i hope next weekend ricer and my self will be able to install and i will post some pics of the install, i also bought the light bar and i will post on it to, i should have it installed this weekend.

Oh GOD I hope you didn't get Thorn Turds....the Procomps are stupid too, but if the Procomps are Forest Gump....the Thorn Turds are Kathy Quinlin...

And - I noticed you wasted money on a steering stabilizer, when what you NEEDED was a reinforcement.

Ball Joint Spacers? Geez, I walk a way for a minute, and people are buying Thorn Turds and Steering Stabilizers, Ball Joint Spacers and What, those Magnetic Fuel Line things and some synthetic blinker fluid???

Is there NO Guidance here anymore?

Sheesh

the sterring stabilizer has helped on the minor holes that i have played around in...... and i didnt buy any tires as of yet but when i do i think they will be bfg mt or at...... and i thought the spacer helped with travel Right???????

No...the spacers just space down the spindle...putting more stress on the parts...to get a 1/2" of lift.

The stabilizers mask steering problems...by damping the forces like vibration and impact...so that you THINK its better.

Its like taking a pain killer instead of pulling the nail out of your foot.

:D

The best tire for you woud be based upon what you expect of it.

For example...good dry traction on the road would be best served by a racing slick...as much contact patch as possible, a soft grippy rubber, with no tread to squirm or dilute the rubber on road.

Good traction in the rain requires sipes and channels to allow the water to get out from under the rubber.

Good traction in mud requires paddle wheels.

In rocks, the paddle wheels are too unstable...like climbing in high heels...but beefy outer lugs, to grab rocks like fingers, work well...but on the road, the beefy fingers work like soccer cleats on a bastketball court.

In sand, too aggressive a tread makes you dig holes with tires at the bottom.

A thick tough sidewall resists rock punctures....but, has trouble wrapping around surface features for grip.

A harder compound tends to last longer, but be less grippy.

:D

In short, NO tire does every thing well...its always a compromise between street aspects, like handling, braking, hydroplaning, noise, wear, etc...and off road ability, in mud, rocks, sand, puncture resistance, etc.

How much of what are you willing to give up, to get what?

:D

but if i take the spacers off then i will be at 3" in front and 4" in the rear and i dont like the rake it will give. is there any other way to raise the front without the spacers?????? i cant really lower the rear, i already put the stock shackles on..... form the calmini which had me at almos 5" in the rear.... if i could match that i would be very happy but i know it wont happen... unless i sas and convert to 4x4.....

What makes you think you'll have 4" in the rear?

right now by the stock measurment i have around 4" in rear... i got the 3pack AAL's which didnt settle at all....

What X do you have, with what tires?

i have the 00 with stock size tires i think... they are 30"

The deaver 3-pack gives an initial 2", that settles to 1.5"...

where's the other 2.5" coming from back there?

i dont know, i got the aal from ac do you have the stock measurments???? i lost the paper that i had wrote them on.... i will remeasure asap?????

While you're out there with a ruler...measure the shackles from center of eye, to center of eye.

The OEM on that is about 3" eye to eye.

You can also measure from the top of the diff to the frame brace above it.

That way...we can see what's available.

right now i have the stock.... but i will measure for you..... thanks.....

OK, while you're doing that, I have one bed with a diabetic fighting shock...and another with a stroke victim in need of some attention...

ok???? well i will post the measurment tomorrow after work and we will go from there....

oh, I was back...?

OK - manana

Thats one thing that I am having trouble with.... lift kits! (Aside from a SAS) Thank god calmini and SLR both came out with a 5" lift for the new gen X's. SLR's is a little pricy. Only thing about the calmini kit is the stock UCA and front shocks are retained, good thing PRG came up with soultions to that.... (whick is what I decided to go with)

Sorry to hijack the thread I just wanted to state that you arent the only one who has had trouble finding lift solutions.

Keep us updated on how your lift goes.... Oh yeah, thornbirds are crap (but look kindof cool)

the lift went smooth but now im in a bind..... the pass side front tire... i cant get the camber to adjust right.... i took it to a shop but since then i havent done anything this weekednd i will try to adjust it.... i think it will adjust out they just didnt want to mess with it

Did you take it to firestone?? Thats where I got my first alignment and I did it because they offer a "lifetime alignment" for about $120!!! If you go offroading alot and plan on messing with the suspension alot (just like I have) it will pay for itself in no time. Remember, every time you lift or mess with the suspension, or go offroading you should check the alignment. It makes it alot easier when it doesnt cost you anything!!

Just my 2 pennies.

i didnt go to firestone. at the one here in clute i took my eclipse there to have them change out my inner and outer tierod ends, they wanted 400.00 to do it

this is what i did...
went to autozone bought the parts i think mabye 100.00
repair manual skimed at autozone put back on shelve
went home it took me 15 min to do both sides when they said 4hrs
never steped back into there store!!!!

:clever: Yeah some shops will rip you off... but i figure that the lifetime alignment is a nation wide price so I know im not getting screwed there, especially when I have done it four times so far...

But I know what you mean. I have had a few shops try to pull one over on me... I just told them to kiss my a$$, and walked right out the door.

i know it's almost everywhere you go..... like i said i looked at the camber bolts and i think there is still some left to turn so i will post on it when i do it.....

the lift went smooth but now im in a bind..... the pass side front tire... i cant get the camber to adjust right.... i took it to a shop but since then i havent done anything this weekednd i will try to adjust it.... i think it will adjust out they just didnt want to mess with it

Once lifted, the stock alignment spec is no longer valid...plus, the drivers and pass side numbers are different, to account for road crowning, etc.

well i finally got the time to pull the tire off.... i adjusted the camber and from everywhich way i can look at it and measure..... it is almost as perfect as i could get it.... the bolt closest to the front was turned to where the uca was all the way out on that bolt.... i turned it back and it pulled the tire in which is what i needed...... i also got a nail in the tire so i took it back to sears and they said it is so close to the side wall they cant fix it so i asked her if they sold bfg atko ans she has the size i want for my rim for 950 also she can get the mtkm same size for 1150 so soon im gonna need tires since the alignment ate up the tires in about 10 months which sux but oh well

I want to slowly build up the parts I need for the 3" SL. So... I just want to make sure I got this right from what I have read you will need new UCA's with new hardware (bushings, camber bolts/washers), AAL and new shackles (6") and then crank the T-bar until you get the desire height. Thats what's needed right? Additional items to fully utilize the new suspension would be shocks, T-bars and IAB (if not already added). Now I have seen some sites/forums talking about new A-arms (sorry I'm not sure what these are) and extending break lines. PLEASE correct me if I am way off. Let me know if there is something I really don't need/want or if there is something missing that I really need or would want. Thanks

Wow...dug up a dinosaur here! I like seeing members utilize the search feature. GOOD JOB!

You've got the right list of parts you will need and by piecing it together yourself you are doing the right thing as well.

You'll definitely want new shocks even if all you're adding is a PML. You won't get the full benefit of the lift if your shocks are bottoming out before you reach your full droop. I know the Bilsteins for the 3" lift will compress to stock length.

New T-bars aren't necessary unless yours are sagging and due to be replaced. They are nice to have from what I've read but not absolutely necessary for the lift.

I'm not planning on going with a full 3" lift so I can't verify the brake line extensions and what not but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to fill in the blanks. I haven't read much into them since they aren't in my mod plans.

As for the "A-arms"... no clue... unless it's someone's slang for UCA's, I really have no idea.

If I am doing a PML with shackles do I need to get new shocks// If I do are Bilstein shocks good? I hope they don't cost much.

You don't have to have them but I highly recommend them and so will 95% of all CX members here. Type Bilstein in the search window and see what you come up with. It's probably the single most recommended part when it comes to X mods. I run the HD5100's for the 3" SL but I only have a PML. I got them 10% stiffer than OEM.

Here ya go... I'll save you the trouble. Just add these to your cart. lol

http://www.4x4parts.com/public_html/shop/index.php3?page=shop/flypage&product_id=1925&category_id=b294e766ade8846be408971f91c56a7e&ps_session=428d4e837fa638aeec78c2b3d099b034

dumb question but how many do I buy? My dad is a mechanic and I don't know this lol. ha shows how much I listen to parents.

That link is only takes you to the ones for the rear (2). You can also buy two for the front if you want to but without new UCA's, your wheel travel is still pretty limited and your stock shocks will suffice. And you can put them on yourself no problem. I didn't even jack my X up to put mine on. I just walked out unbolted the old ones, compressed the new ones by hand and bolted them right back on. Took less than 30 minutes. It is easier to do with the rear jacked up though but I was impatient. hahaha