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Royal Flush
08-01-2009, 11:56 PM
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=153946

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"Just as leaves purify the air in nature, so Nissan Leaf purifies mobility by taking emissions out of the driving experience," the company said.


Leadership shouldn't be evasive if the Leaf lives up to its performance billing - a top speed of 90 mph, a range of 100 miles per charge with a 30-minute recharge where quick-charging stations are available (6 hours with a 220-volt current) and seat cushion-compressing acceleration that will launch it from zero to 30 mph faster than an Infiniti G37, thanks to 207 pound-feet of torque from its 80 kilowatt (107 horsepower) electric motor are all part of the package.

To the degree that price matters, Nissan's also got a big edge in the EV world. Pricing hasn't been announced, but the company insists the Leaf will be "affordable" with pricing equivalent to a well-equipped C-class (compact) car.

That's a European compact, though, and they're a lot better equipped, and more costly, than compacts in the U.S. so figure $28,000 to as much as $35,000 (the range for Nissan partner Renault's Megane hatchback) — not super cheap, but a bit less than the five-place Chevy Volt.

And that's before any government incentives — which could knock a substantial amount from the car's price in Japan and would be at least $7,500 in the U.S. as long as funding continues for the federal clean car credit program.

Nissan officials say pricing was held down in part by developing the entire powertrain, including the laminated lithium-manganese battery pack — arguably the most expensive single component on the car at around $10,000 —in-house with an eye toward affordability.

But the real trick is that the batteries won't be part of the selling price: Nissan's global approach will be to sell the car, but lease the battery pack.

The argument for leasing is that if you buy a gasoline car, the gasoline isn't part of the deal, and the battery pack in an EV (plus the electricity that it stores) can be likened to the gas needed to make a conventional car go.

The approach in the U.S, where consumers might be leery of buying a car, but having to lease an essential part of its powertrain, may be to simply lease the entire package, said Andy Palmer, Nissan's senior vice president and head of product planning.

Decisions on the sales or leasing method, as well as on U.S. pricing, will be made closer to the Leaf's late-2010 launch, Palmer said.

The event will make Nissan the first major automaker in modern times to put a full-service battery-electric car into dealerships for retail sales.

To help do away with charging anxiety, Nissan has equipped the Leaf with a communications system that enables drivers to communicate in real time with a special information center to find out where the closest chargers are, which ones are open and operating, and whether they have fast or slow chargers.

The system also highlights in real time on the Leaf's standard navigation system screens the one-way and round-trip travel ranges the car can achieve before needing a battery charge, and sends signals to a driver's cell phone or PDA when a car plugged in at a home or public charger is topped up and ready to go.

The Leaf's target launch date will beat General Motor's Volt plug-in hybrid, and while Japan's Mitsubishi and Subaru both launched EVs for sale to fleets in Japan last month, the cars are smaller, lower-speed, "city cars" with far less range than the 100 miles-per-charge Nissan claims for the Leaf.

The elongated but curiously bulbous headlamp assembly (designed for looks and airflow, said Shiro-san) extremely short nose (no engine to hide) and sharply delineated flanks and wheel cutouts are all Nissan, showing a little bit of the styling that went into the Murano crossover utility vehicle — no shocker when you learn that the Leaf's chief designer also headed the Murano design team, according to Nakamura.

Inside Line says: Nissan trails the field in hybrids, but could shock the industry with its nifty new EV — John O'Dell, Senior Editor, Edmunds' GreenCarAdvisor.com"

I think i like the rear. The front could use a grille or something. The leasing battery pack deal seems a little odd. It'll be interesting to see how they apply this. Overall though, I'm glad Nissan is beating the Chevy with its Volt to the EV Field!

Silver Dude
08-02-2009, 12:23 AM
Leaf yeah Leaf just isn't a great car name.

Looks very similar to the Versa. At least this one has more style then the Cube.

Nissan is on the cutting edge of most automotive technical advances. However most of them relate to pickup trucks. I'm not so sure this thing would be a hit at the cost leasing issue they are eluding to.

BeVar
05-07-2010, 10:13 AM
The lease option on what Nissan is calling the drive chain is really the laminated lithium-manganese battery pack. The cost to manufacture was reported at $10,000 USD.

Longevity and batteries have never gone together. However, lithium should give a closer to 5 year life span. Over taxing lithium batteries in laptops has led to reported fires; hopefully the electronic controllers or PLC's will negate that.

In any Electric car of the future the real success will be the implementation of a reliable sustainable twin battery package that will switch back and forth. When depleted, the system battery pack should be recharged as one still keeps driving. The electric car will not be a success until this caveat is reached; it will remain a novelty until then.

Batteries are and should be a major technical research and development effort in the United States if we want to maintain Global technical leadership.

The entire world needs much better Battery technology. Solar energy and electric car future depend on it.

Ben Varela
BeVar Systems
Computer Doctor

Guipo
05-19-2010, 01:24 PM
I put in a reservation for one, but I'm not sure I can afford it. Its alot of money to not use gas.

J Everett
05-19-2010, 02:35 PM
Electric cars are nice for some areas, but if you live where I live, or anywhere that electricity is generated by coal or fuel oil or natural gas fired generating plants, then your "carbon footprint" is virtually unchanged. It still requires the same amount of energy to move a given weight a given distance, regardless of whether an electric motor or a internal combustion engine does the work. Granted, the electrical plant may be more efficient at converting fossil fuel to electrical energy, but some of the efficiency is lost in transmission.

I'm not trying to bash electric cars. I think they're a great idea for people who can use them, and whose electrical grids are powered by nuclear plants, wind farms, and hydroelectric plants. But for those of us that get our electricity from fossil fuels, electric cars are more of an inconvenience.

Guipo
05-19-2010, 02:36 PM
Oh trust me, I could give a flying fart about the pollution, I just dont want to pay for gas anymore.

*edit * I drive 50 miles a day total, so its a good solution for 90 percent of my driving. The only thing is, its 32 grand...how long do you have to drive it to break even with gas use minus electric use...lol....

J Everett
05-19-2010, 03:59 PM
Oh trust me, I could give a flying fart about the pollution, I just dont want to pay for gas anymore.

*edit * I drive 50 miles a day total, so its a good solution for 90 percent of my driving. The only thing is, its 32 grand...how long do you have to drive it to break even with gas use minus electric use...lol....

That's the magic question. How much will it actually save you? I know the IRS gives you a major tax rebate for purchasing a hybrid or EV, but I don't know if it's enough to help offset the initial higher cost of the car. Does the $32000 price tag include the dealer setting up a 220 volt outlet for you to plug the car into? Come to think of it, does the Leaf require 220v? I know other EV's like the Mini Cooper EV can use 110 or 220, but take forever to charge on 110, so the folks that get Mini EV's also get a 220v charging station. The Mini EV test program required you to be a home owner so that the charging station could be installed. I've not read enough on the Leaf to know its charging requirements.

Guipo
05-19-2010, 04:00 PM
Leaf takes 120, 220 and 440. You can get 220 in your garage right now at a cost of 2,000. Charges in 8 hours. 120 takes like 16. They say the special 440 is 1/2 hour....or something like that.

J Everett
05-19-2010, 04:04 PM
Leaf takes 120, 220 and 440. You can get 220 in your garage right now at a cost of 2,000. Charges in 8 hours. 120 takes like 16. They say the special 440 is 1/2 hour....or something like that.

For $30000+, the dealer should pay for the installation of the 220v. $2000 is ridiculous.

Guipo
05-19-2010, 04:05 PM
agreed, and its by a 3rd party. apparently its not manditory, but there's no other options at this point. We're still 7 months off its delivery too, so who knows what will happen

seay997
05-23-2010, 03:14 PM
i think i will leaf it alone.....oh i crack myself up

blkxone
05-23-2010, 05:39 PM
Leaf yeah Leaf just isn't a great car name.

Looks very similar to the Versa. At least this one has more style then the Cube.

i don't know if you have seen this cube but it's the first to be bagged and ragged. done by randode here is az.
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